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Genoese were as unaffected by the storm as the English archers." How does that read to you? The point about mud and stirrups is already covered by "The mud also impeded their ability to reload, which required them to press the stirrups of their weapons into the ground, and thus slowed their rate of fire."
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Completely agree re contemporary usage. And fully understand people who consider it an anachronism. But in terms of writing the article there is a need for expressions like "arrow fire" and "under fire" etc, and 'loose' just doesn't work. I can understand why historians have given up and gone with
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