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Your naming conventions link was actually one of the factors which led me to follow through on this proposal. Specifically, it indicated that we should strive for precision. "Bad trip" is not a precise term, it is misleading slang which perpetuates a POV take on one of the neccessary (for many if not
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The result of the proposal was This article should be under "Psychedelic crisis" as that is the correct and clinical name for the experience, and all inquires for "bad trip" will automatically be redirected here anyway. The use of the slang term is not useful as it may perpetuate preconceived notions
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I'm a psychologist-to-be (still in grad school) but one of the first-day, only-idiots-say-this things they drill into your head is the distinction between depression and sadness: depression is a medical condition, a symptom of which is sadness. Depression has a specific set of criteria, the main one
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I don't know how true this is. Experienced cannabis users (such as myself) usually never get anxiety during smoking; It's usually just calming and relaxing. So, I think that if you don't get anxiety from it, it would only help keep the trip relaxing as well and keep you in a good mood (This is what
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