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1638:. I think those religious arguments, are much more coherent and reasonable than the well-meaning, but ultimately groundless, attempts by non-adherents of those faiths to frame this as anything more than that. On this talk page, there are frequent, periodic calls for Knowledge editors to treat the reverence Baháʼís hold towards the sacred images of their Prophet with respect and understanding. They ask that others empathize with them because of the shock and distress these images can cause them, and seek compassion on that basis. They, unlike you, have not failed to grasp that this is not an exercise in dispassionately balancing oppposing interests, focused only on apparent evenness and compromise. They understand that this discussion will always implicate deeply-held convictions that require us to try to understand each other. This isn't about tallying up some measure of fairness, or about avoiding double standards, it's about conflicting views on how much deference Knowledge should afford perspectives that differ from the values that animate it as an independent and collective project. 1630:) says just as much, if not more, about Christians as it does about their prophet as he existed historically. The same goes for the decision to depict Muhammad through a calligraphic representation of his name. It represents Muhammad and the perspective his adherents hold towards him just as much as an imagistic depiction of him would. The choices we make about how we should best represent those prophets can never be divorced from ideology; any position take will inevitably be a religious or even political one. The decision to include the photograph of Baháʼu'lláh is also ideological and I don't think anyone here is arguing otherwise. Rather, the argument is that the choice to privilege historical accuracy, objectivity, and neutrality in the face of censorship attempts leaves us in a position that better accords with the ideology that animates the Knowledge project. 1120:
constitute a large audience - since Baha'is (like me, lol), by strict religious custom, are only meant to view Baháʼu'lláh's photograph in Haifa (this is based on my general knowledge and obviously the knowledge of the propagators of the previous consensus, I'm funnily enough having trouble finding sources for this because the same photograph keeps popping up alongside the google results.) Since Knowledge is meant as an informative, encyclopedic source, isn't it oxymoronic to alienate a population of readers as a result of its lead image?
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and by placing it on the Knowledge page it opens it up to online desecration through photoshopping and idolatry. The Baha'i Faith has very similar rules about depictions of religious figures to Islam, and this matter is nearly identical to not having illustrations of the Prophet Muhammad(PBUH) on his Knowledge page. I am asking you to remove it out of respect for Baha'u'llah and his followers worldwide. Thank you.
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To be clear, my take on the issue is this: indeed, this is a question about how much deference (or accommodation) Knowledge should afford minority perspectives—it is a case of a lead image with potential shock value for those minorities. I don't believe it's unreasonable to try to maintain some level
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There is an obvious reason why the vast majority of biographical articles on Knowledge include photographs of their subjects when they are available. The fact that Baháʼu'lláh was a signficiant religious and historical figure who lived during the time of early photography should be more, not less, of
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these prophets, Baháʼu'lláh lived close enough to our time that we have extant photographs of him. This cannot be said to be a depiction of a prophet in the same way that any of the lead images, or any of their proposed alternatives, in any of the articles you mentioned can be because it is more — it
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tied with the Qur'an. You could also consider the case of Jesus, where we have images from "only" 200 years after his death, plus there's a rich tradition of pumping out portraits of all kinds. You can draw parallels between all of them, but the reality is that there's no apples-to-apples comparison.
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from December 2022. It was confused by a particular editor thinking that Baha'is were trying to impose censorship. I think there's a good argument to move the photo to the first section instead of infobox, but that would have to be another RfC, and the article needs an overhaul to improve NPOV first.
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Bahá’ís prefer not to have the picture of Baha’u’llah displayed in public. Bahais will display the picture of Abdul Baha, Baha’u’llah’s son and the perfect exemplar of the Baha’i Faith in their homes but not the picture of Baha’u’llah. Bahá’ís are asked to treat the image of any Manifestation of God
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Hello, I am a Baha'i and am humbling requesting that the photograph of Baha'u'llah be removed from the page, or at least put towards the bottom with a disclaimer. It is currently there as a portrait. Baha'u'llah's photograph is considered sacred to us and only to be viewed in a setting of reverence,
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Bahá'ís object to depictions of their prophet. Even if I accepted that this discrepancy was unfair, and to be clear, I don't, I would still think that the solution to this double standard would be to add a lead image of Muhammad to his Knowledge article instead of change this one. I'd sooner remove
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Again, it's hard to see how the majority of the English-speaking readers of a website devoted to the dissemination of free information would share the cultural beliefs of a minority religious group that drive them to call for its censorship. What is more likely is that this issue has received undue
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readers, as it has been defined) and editors are more likely to belong to a minority group whose cultural beliefs diverge from the majority's, thus biasing the discussion and giving the illusion that this is a balanced debate. It's frankly absurd to think that the censorship preferences of certain
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Removing the image in question based on its religious significance to certain people would violate the principle of neutrality that Knowledge seeks to uphold. Knowledge refrains from censoring its content in favour of any specific faith. Removing content that people find offensive while balancing
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I was responding, very specifically, to the statement you made about the current state of the articles concerning Muhammad and Baháʼu'lláh seeming like a double standard. My point was that it is not a double standard because these two prophets are not completely similar in the aspects relevant to
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while still allowing readers who don't want to view the image to hide it after seeing it for a short time. There have been a lot of talk page complaints which, while not strong from the perspective of our encyclopedic policies and guidelines, do show the demand for an option to stop viewing the
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Lastly, I know I have made it seem like I am an outsider playing white knight on this issue for no reason. Perhaps that is true to some extent, but I only opened this talk page because I used to be Bahá’í and seeing the lead image did indeed shock me. I was then bothered because it seemed that
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Was there ever a proper RfC/consensus on changing the lead image to a picture of Baháʼu'lláh? Obviously Knowledge policies of lead images should be incorporated into this, but I'd like to stress that it makes it incredibly difficult for Baha'is to edit/view the page - of which they most likely
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images. I'm aware that users can create an account and add code to block images on their CSS page, or configure to block images on Knowledge, etc., but those options are all cumbersome and it's doubtful that most readers even know how to do these things or will take the time to find out.
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It's hard to see how the typical Knowledge reader would not expect to see an image of the subject of an article on a person in the lead. That is typically where such images go on the majority of articles where images are available. The phrase you cite— "selected with care" in
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This is the best syntax I can find (see the result on the right). It works (at least on my computer), but I can't get it to display properly within an infobox. Unless another editor has an idea for how this might work on the technical side, I think my proposal is irrelevant.
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a reason to include the photograph as a lead image. The only reason this is even a debate is because certain religious dictates militate that there should be one. That is why we are having this discussion here, instead of also over on the talk page for
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Hmm, it doesn't seem to work - you're right. I also looked at some other related templates and I can't find any that would collapse an image or a gallery. I can look a bit further for syntax options another day soon, but if it isn't possible then the
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of Baháʼu'lláh. We do not have pictures of those prophets and, unlike Baháʼu'lláh, we do not know what they actually look like. I am arguing that this is significant enough to warrant the inclusion of this photograph as the lead image of the article
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I am opposed, as this, no matter how well-meaning, is against the spirit of Knowledge not being censored. This is merely censorship in velvet. Knowledge offers a solution to people who do not wish to view images. They can either take it or leave it.
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There have been a lot of editors and individuals from outside the site's editor base who have talked about this issue on the talk page, so I won't ping any specific editors, but I'm interested to know whether others think this would be a good idea.
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Regardless, I think we're focusing on different metrics when arguing about whether this is a double standard. I agree that at face value a photograph of Baháʼu'lláh is very different from a depiction of Muhammad. However, as I mentioned under
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article than it is to the current lead image of this one. This is because the Christ Pantocrator is an icon, not just a painting; the decision to write Jesus in this manner (as contrasted with, for example, writing him as
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as the lead image for his article is because there are no photographs taken of him while he was living. Regardless, I apologize for bringing up this point in the section about collapsability; I'll move this to
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Following extensive discussion in 2022 there is a consensus to including the given name in the lead and the photograph at the top of the article. Please do not remove either without generating a new consensus
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the likeness of any prophet that came before Baháʼu'lláh from the lead image of their Knowledge article than I would remove the image of Baháʼu'lláh or any religious figures that came after him from theirs.
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I wasn't a part of the extensive recent discussion that led to the consensus to include the image at the top but I generally agree with what was decided. What I'm proposing here is a way that we can uphold
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article altered to bring it in line with the editorial conventions of other articles on Prophets, but that is not relevant; this talk page is not the forum for a discussion about another article.
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article, but you've failed to take into account the difference between a depiction of a prophet created created after they have died and a photograph of a prophet taken while they were livng.
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somehow does not apply to cases like these, or (2) there is no suitable alternative for a lead image with less shock value. In these possibilities I accept that the lead image should remain.
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Having a photo of ʻAbdu'l-Bahá as the main image for an article about Baháʼu'lláh doesn't really make much sense. You can just do what Woodroar said and hide the image for yourself.
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From what I understand, you were saying that it does not seem fair that only one of the Knowledge articles accords to the preferences of a religious minority when both Muslims
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I am in favor of this idea. This, combined with maybe making the depiction of Baha'u'llah the second image on the article, would serve to almost entirely solve the controversy
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with extreme reverence. It is for this reason we could replacing the picture of Baha’u’llah with Abd'u'lbaha. It maybe a picture of Abdul Baha would be better than a blank.
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and Muhammad articles should be consistent with one another in terms of depictions as the lead image. Baháʼu'lláh is even mentioned in discussions on the Muhammad article.
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was the primary factor in the consensus regarding the lead image for the Muhammad article. And in terms of potential shock value, I think a photograph of Baháʼu'lláh is
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The distinction I pointed out is relevant and important. Frankly, I'm struggling to understand how you "fail to see the particular importance of that difference" when @
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It was my understanding that to view a picture of Baha’u’llah, one needed to make a pilgrimage to Haifa. Only pictures of Abdul’Baha were shown publicly.
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I can't tell if you are angry at me or just being candid. I apologize for the tone in my previous comments being a little blunt—that was not intended.
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It goes into extreme specifics about mundane, ordinary details and it reproduces the narrative style of the sources it relies on in many instances.
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adherents of a minority religious group are more representative of Wikipidia's majority readership given Knowledge's clear position on this matter (
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This article reads like it is based on primary, not secondary, sources and fails to adopt a consistent, neutral, and obective tone throughout.
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of consistency in how such cases are approached; anything else would call into question the supposed NPOV of the Knowledge project.
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explained it to you so clearly and cogently, but I'll try my best to explain it again because maybe my position was not so clear.
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is the central prophet of one of the world's predominant religions, just like Moses, Jesus, Muhammad, and Zoroaster. However,
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is also a part of Baháʼu'lláh's historical record, in addition to being historically significant in its own right.
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article, where the lead image is (currently) of calligraphy, with depictions of the prophet further down the page.
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this context such that differential treatment afforded to one of their articles should be percieved as arbitrary.
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I fail to see the particular importance of that difference. Every prophet I can think of off the top of my head (
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article because I had (perhaps wrongly?) assumed that a primary factor in the consensus there was to minimize
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The older consensus from 2005-ish is in a variety of old archives that are hard to search. The latest RfC was
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If you'd rather not see the image, there are instructions at the top of the page explaining how to do so.
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I agree, honestly, but standing precedent means the best we can hope for is an option to hide the image.
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If you would like to hide the image (for yourself), there are instructions at the top of the page or at
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to modify your personal CSS stylesheet (if no page is there already, just go ahead and create a page)
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I'm wondering other editors' thoughts on making the lead image collapsible. We could do this with
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I am arguing that it is significant enough that the double standard you mentioned does not exist.
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concerns were not given much consideration, or at least not as much as in the Muhammad article.
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a "typical Knowledge reader" is defined by the cultural beliefs of the majority of the website
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So yes, I agree, and I have a huge stack of sources to work with, but it would take days.
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on Knowledge. If you would like to participate, you can edit this article, or visit the
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but looking at the RFC I am personally not convinced consensus actually existed there.
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Not that there would be any problem with replacing the current lead image for the
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Is it just me, or does this article read differently from others on Knowledge?
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Regardless, my firm opinion (as a non-religious person, mind you) is that the
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forbids making images collapsible so I think it's worth considering. As per
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I agree, removing or collapsing the image is not an option for Knowledge.
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it should be used—but I was curious and tried it. It didn't work for me.
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To approach this from another direction, we can compare the articles of
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I would also go as far as to argue that the current lead image for the
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I don't see how this case is particularly different from that of the
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wasn't closed correctly, there's nothing that can be done about it
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Are you then in favor of replacing the current lead image for the
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be used in this way? I'm on the fence (and leaning against)
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avoid lead images that readers would not expect to see there
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that with neutrality would rapidly become impossible.
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and to follow the "selected with care" criterion in
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of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.
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