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Devanagari everywhere. Devanagari is appropriate for many languages, including Hindi, Marathi, Nepali, etc., but not others like Bengali. I say we stick to that language that is relevant to this particular man, a Bengali who wrote in Bengali in a time known for Bengali literature. --
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Another 2 cents from my side. I dont know what this 'Sanskritised' business is all about. Loosely, almost every single indian language(including the 4 major southern languages) have been influenced by sanskrit. They have been influenced in various ways(words/vocab, grammar, script, literature)
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Vaidyar interjected: Sathyananda, you should not get disheartened. Due to your idiocy, you went in for a lot of swindling and made money. You joined the battle, and came victorious. Yet, it is true that good events do not follow evil deeds. So, it follows that you cannot bring solace to your nation.
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Can someone clarify what is meant by "National song". This may confuse readers into thinking that it is the national anthem of India. I have changed it earlier, but that change was omitted. I still think it is vague in accurately protraying the iinfluence of Bankim's Bande Matram (that is how it is
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Once again, why do we need the nagari transliteration here? Did Bankim write literature in any language that uses nagari? Did he write bengali literature using nagari? Was his mother tongue a language that normally uses nagari for its script? Anything else? Please specify. I dont see any need
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English are merely traders. Their aims are only on amassing wealth. They are not very happy with taking the reigns of ruling. Yet, since we have destroyed the Muslim rulers, they will be forced to take up the burden of ruling of this nation. It will be clear to them that only by
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I have been told by some one who had gone through the book that the song Vande
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Bengali" is not Sanskrit. Second of all, Chatterjee was a Bengali who wrote in Bengali during the Bengali Renaissance. He did not write his stories in Devanagari and his name is not natively written in Devanagari, so I don't see why his name needs to be written in
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Sanskrit words specifically have found their way into all languages in the form of tatsamas and tatbhavas. Doesnt mean the languages mutate into sanskrit. English despite borrowing heavily from possibly every other lang in the world is still
English. We dont hear about Latinised English,
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I've removed the Devnagari script. This is a Bengali author, who wrote extensively in Bengali (and some in English), known for his role in Bengali literature, and so on. He didn't write his novels in Sanskrit. Whether he knew it or not isn't an issue here.
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Sathayanda: I do not have many ambitions in gaining knowledge. What use is knowledge to me? I only want to see that my sworn oaths are continued resolutely. Kindly bless me that I have the resolve to be true to my pledges to my motherland.
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The Great man: Your pledge has been fulfilled. The English have taken over the nation. Let the battle be stopped. The people can then focus on their other activities such as agriculture and such other things.
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Under the English rule all will be able to practise their own religion without any hindrance. Are you not an intelligent man? Think about all this. Stop your fight with the English; and come with me.
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It ends with the triumph of the British rule. The Union Jack flutters over Calcutta. Vandematharam resonates the victory of the English.
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