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it was under FDR. Republicans are almost totally unified in their opposition, and they are very vocal. Not only do they have the power to slow or stop the crucial legislation, they have leverage that comes with it. Yes, things are getting accomplished, but the tone is still of constant debate among mostly party lines, except that even some members of Obama's own party will oppose measures.
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