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1379:, the title should reflect that. Second, will we have articles for the other 14.5 hundred-day periods in his term? Third, we're crystallballing at this point: yes, he'll almost certainly serve 100+ days in office, but we really don't know if they'll be notable as a stand-alone article yet, as they might well be for FDR (or the
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