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The information in the article is really carefully structured and (as far as I can tell so far) an accurate and thorough account of the war. However, it's packed with details and extra information you would expect from a chapter in a book, as opposed to an encyclopaedia article. Also, the article
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Griffith outlined the erosion of the magistrates' authority in a series of letters and telegrams. Describing the outcome of the pitso, the failure of the disarmament drive and a series of reports on the murders as well as cattle and land seizures from people who had surrendered their
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Distrusting the Natal administration and believing that the Cape Colony was not yet ready to absorb the new territory, Wodehouse disregarded those instructions. He blocked the supply of ammunition to the Free State
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Free State president
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There are still copy editing issues to be addressed, non of them major. I'll be bold and do the obvious punctuation errors myself (commas, mostly), and list anything else I spot here. Feel free to revert me!
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its arguments were instead presented by
Basutophile MPs Joseph Orpen and Thomas Ekins Fuller. Petitions against the disarmament were also dispatched through Griffith to both Frere and Queen Victoria
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Morosi antagonized Hope by engaging in obstruction of justice and attempted to intermediate him by attending official meetings with a heavily armed retinue.
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Moorosi during the Gun War.--
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The motion was supported by Cape
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170:Review
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