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Mesorregion has 105 municipialities and 39,486.678 km², but yet only 6.3 million inhabitants. This means that, arround the Metropolitan Area, there is a huge territory with less than a million people. Whatever is being called "expanded metropolitan area" (with 9 million inhabitants) would demand a territory much larger than the mesorregion itself. It would be a sparsely populated area, with boundaries too far away from BH, and calling it "metropolitan expansion" makes no sense.
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I remember a beautiful evening in a West End street, letting my tongue be taught the easy tones of the
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I am very disappointed to see the article getting cluttered with unneccessary images again, to have a lot of extraneous and non-encyclopedic content added, and to find that the editors responsible are not responding to my requests for reversion of some edits. I will make some fairly drastic edits to
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I've made a start on this, but the sections are not exactly content-rich at the moment. There needs to be a lot more effort made with additions to these sections to cite correctly, and present relevant information. I suspect that much of the existing content could be safely cropped from the article,
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There's a need to add objectivity and improve this aspect, the introduction is filled up with adjectives praising the "exquisite" artifacts and several other value judgements... In fact, there's a whole paragraph at the end of the introduction which looks as if it had been written by the city hall's
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I have performed two deletions today. (Yeah, I was not logged in when I did it.) First, the
Demographics section: it stated wrong numbers for in-town and metropolitan area population (in complete disagreement with those in the infobox) and was overall poorly written. Demographics information must be
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I removed the information about a supposed "expanded metropolitan area" with over 9 million people. I could not find any source for this, and no information in
Portuguese Knowledge (XXG). The municipality of Belo Horizonte has about 330.9 km2 and the regular Metropolitan Region has 9,459.1 km2 (34
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Hey, I just noticed that this article says Belo
Horizonte is the sixteenth largest city but on the "Largest cities in the Americas" page it says its the eighteenth largest city. One of these is obviously wrong, someone might want to look into this. Also I have never edited or talked on Knowledge
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I replaced the weather table with an infobox template. The data is provided by
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Well, this is getting pretty annoying. I try to actually edit text and make the article a bit better quality, and all the contributions anyone else seems to make are pointless cluttering with totally unnecessary photographs. How about trying to actually add something of use? Improving the poor
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The page is still stuffed full of photographs which make it look very messy. I would suggest moving at least 50% of the current set of photographs, retaining only those that truly illustrate something from the text usefully. I'll do this in the coming days if no one else feels like doing
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I removed the previous paragraph from the article because it has three questionable claims: first that Belo
Horizonte is well known for unbalanced proportion of women to men. Sources would help. I live in Belo Horizonte and never heard of such thing. (But have, for Sete Lagoas.)
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A picture of Altavista tower should not be included in this article for it's architecture is not only an offense to Belo Horizonte's scenario, but also completely different from the architecture of Minas Gerais. And still, it will close pretty soon for no one go there anymore.
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Several months - and a number of edits later - the page is still cluttered with photographs. I will remove some of these, as they generally distract from the article. I'm not expecting this edit to be popular, but please consider WP policy on photographs when adding to the
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Differences in population between the figures in the infobox and in the text. I suggest removing this information from the text, and updating the infobox. Leaving in both will likely result in the same disagreements in future, unless people are editing with considerable
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The section on culture is very confused at the moment. I suggest merging the section on "events" and perhaps some of the content on tourism, where relevant. I would suggest looking at the way culture is dealt with in the articles on
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There is too much information about Cruzeiro football club here - all of it is just repetition of the content in its own article. I suggest drastically shortening this section since the information can all be found in the Cruzeiro
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This article is still full of promotional language that would better serve a tourist brochure than a Knowledge (XXG) article. This has been a problem with this article for some time, so I will be attending to this over the coming
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And a third one, "Notable people". Sepultura is not notable people: they're a band. If the author wanted to put the name of their favorite band in this article, he should at least have added other (more notable) names.
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I have moved some content (specifically on the economy) into the appropriate section of the main text. I think this could be done for much of the content of the introduction at the moment. Even
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