1829:, some of that content would belong in the cast section. How a person was hired and how they left are of importance to us. There is nothing inherently non-neutral about adding this content. The NPOV policy typical guides us on how we present content like this, not necessarily about the content itself. If we say "Shinde accused ___ of sexual harrassment", this is a fact. If we have a contrary position like "___ denied the allegations", that would be fair to enter as well. In contrast if we said, "According to Shinde, ___ is a rapist", well, then we'd have a serious NPOV violation, because it sounds like we're endorsing the accusation. Keep in mind that we often present non-neutral information, ex: movie reviews, but our job is to try to balance the presentation of the information.
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971:, thank you for opening the dicussion. I'm not sure what the confusion is here. Who was originally cast in the role of Angoori? If the answer is Shilpa Shinde, then it is reasonable to describe her as the original cast member who portrayed that character, because original means first. Your change of "original" to "previous" doesn't make the quotation any clearer. We're only allowed to refactor quotations to make minor clarifications for spelling, syntax, or to remove ambiguities (like changing an out-of-context "he" to a person's name). Your change doesn't accomplish this. I don't see what is "insulting" about using the correct phrasing, per
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that a surname? If so, why is it in parentheses? It's not clear what "Amma Ji" is or why it's in parentheses. Is that a nickname? I'm not sure why we're afraid of writing in complete sentences. We're not limited to jamming random words into parentheses and thinking that's quality work. It's also unclear what a "chacha" is. Where I could, I converted the useless parentheticals into semi-complete sentences. (They're not really complete, but they're better than the parentheticals). Also, the section should be broken into Main characters and
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Controversy section not just saying the harassment thing with show producer but How Shilpa Shinde exit from show happened. Why Shilpa Shinde being replace in
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about the word "original". It literally means "first". It doesn't mean "better" or "best". Changing "original" to "first" in the quote doesn't solve any problem. Again, I think this is an
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between anything, then why we use word 'original' with Shilpa Shinde? I know that director of the sitcom has used 'original' word in interview but this is
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importance to the previous actor. So I don't think the word "original" is insulting anyone or it was used in such a way to insult anyone in that quote it's just some readers will interpret it differently after reading it but I don't this issue is big enough that we have to change or replace a word.
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and "original" or "First copy/duplicate" if we are talking about piracy. This case is similar to your "Dear" case where many user objected the usage of this word because it is used differently in their culture. You will find this word normally used in
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Bhabhji is better than the new one" and I think you are reacting to this word like this after reading those articles. You will find sentences like "originally played by___ in the previous series/film" written in various articles but their they are not discriminating the new actor or giving more
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was roped in for the role of 'Angoori', the show's ratings went down". So it make the quotation clearer if we use the word 'first' instead of word 'previous'. Does that make any sense? Reception section is not about who is original or second and also reception section is not about the reviews of
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Why don't you propose which content should be cut, so that you and Zafar can arrive at a compromise? Note also that using short quotations is not a copyright violation. We are permitted to do that under Fair Use. If we are indiscriminately adding quotations or using large passages that could be
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Again, I don't understand your rationale. "Concept and creation" are ideas that occur before the show is released. You've still provided no clear reason for why Shinde's departure impacted the concept or creation of the series. If you can't do that, then the content needs to be put back. It's
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I am really sorry I will me more carefully in future. Lost the habit of discussion as most users on Indian TV and Film articles are mostly Users who are not here to contribute or the users who wants to contribute but ignore warnings, messages and discussions.I think I am doing the same thing
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A cast member or character appearing in more than one episode, or in two or more consecutive episodes, does not necessarily mean that character has a "recurring" role. An actor or character may simply have a guest role across several episodes rather than a recurring story arc throughout the
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Number of seasons must be changed to 1.The show is still going on and hasn't been discontinued. A controversy section should be added separately highlighting the controversy created by Shilpa Shinde and the subsequent CINTAA ban on her.References can be taken from these two
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in the Cast section so your emphatic note "This is a part of history and informative! Readers must know the truth!" is already being satisfied. If you want to flesh out the content in the cast section, feel free, but a unique section for a petty dispute is totally
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Controversy section is not just about Shilpa Shinde but it is about what was the reason that Shinde left the show?, why producers replaced Shilpa Shinde?, as producers of
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We don't refactor quotations just because they don't suit our personal sense of decorum. We only refactor quotatios to make minor clarifications for spelling, syntax, or to remove ambiguities. There is nothing to compromise about here.
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I said "I don't know who added this character" as there was an constant addition ans removal of content on this page an mostly they were either yours or Rishab's edits that's why i pinged him so that we can discuss this thing.
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Like, 1. Rashmi Desai was selected but she rejected the role because... 2. Shilpa Shinde left because... 3. And 80 actresses gave audition... 4. Shubhangi Atre selected... So basically, my intention of moving the details is a
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Hi, I moved the details in other secion which is 'Concept and creation'. Concept and creation is not a sub-section. My intention was not to hide something as I didn't removed the details, I just moved that details.
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and this statement looks like more fit for other section as it talks more about impact and reaction. I think you should think about creating more section on this page where this information can be easily
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This article is no longer Semi-Protected, so you can now edit the article yourself, but please note we do not have "controversy" sections. Please also ensure that any additions are properly sourced, to
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Yes, I strongly believe that we should write this as a common sense that those people was seen very less in episode. I think we are misleading the readers by including those people in recurring cast.
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Editors removed that controversy section that time because it was not well written and was less in content. I wrote 'Controversy section' with reliable references and added some quote also
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There is nothing wrong in using "Original" word. It is used normally in Film and television related topics. I think you are reacting like this because in our Indian subcontinent we use
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