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One way to picture the problem is to call it a language issue. We could talk of the big bang theory as describing the beginning of the "known" universe. Meaning by this the eras of the universes that we can start to describe with reliable models. But the wording "beginning of the known universe" is
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Rather than saying "According to the Big Bang models, the universe at the beginning was very hot and very compact" shouldn't the article say "At the furthest point in the past the Big Bang models are adequate to predict, the universe was very hot and very compact". Less poetic but more accurate,
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Where does the idea that the Big Bang models describe the beginning of the universe come from? It might be a spectacular event and a drastic change in the state of the universe but does that justify to talk about it as a description of the beginning of the universe?
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Biblical creation, says Orthodox physicist" and I'll try to shoehorn it in, but first it's to be recognized that the article's LEDE's "Physics lacks" wording appears to be misplaced. Shoehorn second.
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