424:. I appreciate your bold edits and desire to improve the article like the info you added on the first Miss World contest. Within the constraints of identifying worthy reliable sources in the English language, the information developed so far demonstrates different culture's reactions to women wearing the suit in different contexts. I personally don't think Pamela Anderson is all that newsworthy, but she is depicted in the controversial ad wearing a bikini which forms an essential part of why it was banned, as noted in the content and in the reference. If we can locate less "sensational" and more substantive info on a relatively lightweight subject like the bikini, then go ahead and add it, but I don't think the information present should be deleted pending finding more weighty, scholarly sources. Further, I'm not sure why some of the information developed so far is "sensational" and what you think needs to be added to make the information more representative. Please elaborate.
1462:", and further - "Where did you get the following information - "Bikinis gradually became briefer and lower with narrower sides in the 1970s, and by the late 70s/early 80s very low hipster bottoms with string sides and ties became the fashion. By the 1990s however, fashions changed and high-cut bottoms and bandeau tops were in vogue. Bikinis went brief again in the early 2000s as they followed the trend for everything hipster ('low rise'). Despite the high popularity of skimpy thongs and g-strings as underwear from 1998 to 2006, thong bikinis never made it into high-street fashion. Low-rise bikinis with string and tie-sides are currently fairly standard, reminiscent of late-70's designs but not so low-cut"?, and further down, - "Either cite a source acceptable to
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the article is clear about what the general case is. The man's swimwear aspect not being the general case is why it does not need any space in the Swim briefs article. Does it need space in the Bikini article? My opinion is yes, given that this article should cover all types of bikinis with WP:Due weight; a man's swim briefs are a part of that. Building a comprehensive article on the topic of bikinis includes addressing non-standard bikinis. Various WP:Reliable sources refer to men's swimwear as a bikini; whether that is a marketing strategy or not, that's the case. It (the existence of male bikinis) is also a matter that has been discussed at this talk page before; see
824:). I also don't think that going ballistic over a detailed explanation of all the reasons (you wanted answers, and I did furnish them, employing significant time and efforts), as well as suggestions and ideas, amounts up to working in a "collaborative fashion". I am sorry that you chose to think that way, and not to reconsider your edits and mine. But, I don't get surprised by angry reactions when meeting Knowledge standards and policies. Us volunteers are, generally, high on ego trips. Choosing quitting over learning doesn't help anyone. Sadly, the only party that suffers a loss in this, probably, is the Knowledge.
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specific improvements but what is the best course of action from this moment forwards? Is it such that the final pass/fail can be delayed for some more days while I try to personally set aside time to edit, or would I want to formally " withdraw" the nomination (so it doesn't automatically fail b/c the changes aren't made timely)? Of course the intent is to make the necessary edits, it's just like I said there was momentous personal events last week that turned this world upside down so I have not been able to follow-up with you before now. Please advise on the best course of action and thank you for your time
1706:, so that the two other top editors would be aware of the nomination and hopefully available to respond to a reviewer should one materialize. Hopefully any reviewer considering this article will also notify both of you if they proceed so that you could respond. And I also wanted to make you aware of the GAN so that any reviewer would see that whatever the differences are that may have informed your perspectives in editing the article, it IS stable and not subject to any edit warring whatsoever, that anything initially viewed as contentious has either been re-evaluated or otherwise resolved. Thanks!
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4246:- To be honest, I don't think the image adds to the page, personally. While a bikini store image would be great, you can barely see them in the image - they're right in the background, fuzzy, poor quality, etc. They are not the primary focus of the photograph. I think I see why the other images were rejected, because they show other swimsuit styles, not just bikinis. Given that there are numerous other images in the article I'm not sure why THIS one needs to stay in, especially as it's really not very good for the purpose it is supposed to serve.
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1538:). I also don't think that going ballistic over a detailed explanation of all the reasons (you wanted answers, and I did furnish them, employing significant time and efforts), as well as suggestions and ideas, amounts up to working in a "collaborative fashion", and "I don't get surprised by angry reactions when meeting Knowledge standards and policies. Us volunteers are, generally, high on ego trips. Choosing quitting over learning doesn't help anyone. Sadly, the only party that suffers a loss in this, probably, is the Knowledge."
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with the article of clothing or swimwear that normally goes by that name. In reality, the term bikini has a positive connotation, and marketers use the term for their own promotion and marketing purposes. The same applies to so-called men's bikini and bikini underwear. And what has a one-piece or monokini got to do with a two-piece swimsuit, normally called a bikini. And I just noticed that the section on bikini tan has absolutely nothing to do with a bikini, just general information on tanning.
2662:"The amount of coverage can vary widely, from a string bikini with very little coverage to a full design with maximum coverage" is an odd sentence because there are two designs with less coverage and it does not name a design with more coverage. Do the sources support something like "The amount of coverage can vary widely, from a pubikini, microkini or string bikini with very little coverage to a fuller designs with more coverage such as the tankini, skirtini or bandeaukini"?--
890:, I haven't been able to contribute much to WP during the past several months, and while I think I'm happy that the article has continued to evolve (in what I hope is a positive direction), I also think I'm a bit bummed to see a potential disconnect here. I'm not sure what the issue is as I'd have to go back and review the edits and exchanges, but suffice it to say that I hope you both can find a way to contribute effectively to this article ongoing...I genuinely do.
4347:(Enthusiast) has attempted to remove the Bikini waxing section because "Other than the use of the word 'bikini', bikini waxing has nothing to do with the swimsuit." and because " that just because the word bikini appears in an expression, does not mean that it relates to a swimsuit. A bikini line may be more related than a wax.", and I have reverted him. Like I stated in my edit summaries, the topic of bikini waxing largely concerns bikinis, which is indicated by the
897:, you and I very successfully negotiated image selection (which the article has seemingly evolved beyond, in many sections), and the main image I favored was retained, while I made way for other images you considered more appropriate to be included. I'm just pleasantly recalling that moment of collaboration, and hoping that other editors with a genuine interest in the topic and willingness to work hard at improving the article can do so collaboratively.
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368:. A whole paragraph on some incidence in a Dubai Mall? Another paragraph on two Philippines girls posting on facebook? The Pamela Anderson paragraph is not even about a bikini. Too much information for an encyclopedic entry on the whole subject of bikini. Too much importance given to too little things. This is an encyclopedia, not a tabloid. While the sensational stuff are not not taboo, it is hardly acceptable to have so much focus on
4679:"Merriam-Webster is not really a reliable source"? It most certainly is a reliable source, and it passes the WP:Reliable sources guideline. That does not mean that the source is always right (for example, it can sometimes be outdated, like a lot of dictionaries), but it is usually reliable. And as for other WP:Reliable sources referring to non-standard bikinis as bikinis, they are clearly in the article. As for your
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tops were in vogue. Bikinis went brief again in the early 2000s as they followed the trend for everything hipster ('low rise'). Despite the high popularity of skimpy thongs and g-strings as underwear from 1998 to 2006, thong bikinis never made it into high-street fashion. Low-rise bikinis with string and tie-sides are currently fairly standard, reminiscent of late-70's designs but not so low-cut"?
1369:- "Marshall Island customs. Not sure why the info isn't relevant or why the refs don't pass muster. It adds a world-wide vantage to the article which from my perspective helps to reduce your concern with undue weight given to Western points of view. Perhaps it doesn't belong in Etymology but in Cultural Issues." and Images were removed for unknown reasons along with some unsubstantiated, possibly
3977:"Am surprised by the radical replacing of so many images" is hardly a valid concern. If you have any complain about any image put in or put out, please, state it. Be more specific to be constructive. I have worked on the images quite a bit, and I know it is not easy. Critical evaluation of them is needed, but surely not a general surprise. As for the question on linking, you are right.
3947:, especially in terms of adequately summarizing the article (which includes the stylistic variations, making your point "One paragraph of the lead listing other styles of bikinis I would not think it" very invalid). If you have any specific observation about the lead (apart from the fact that it has been edited, or that you have a problem with someone editing it), please, state it.
842:, you misread me. "Ballistic"? I had to laugh. I really don't have that much invested in this article or in WP. I'm happy to contribute to WP and have been doing so for a fair amount of time. My experience on this article is that you've made changes arbitrarily and quickly without seeking input, edits that I don't necessarily agree with. Instead of allowing me to
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516:, please just try to keep in mind that none of us is adding content to the article that we think is inappropriate, just to compel someone else to remove it. So yeah, perhaps we can discuss here the abrupt or large-scale removal of even seemingly trivial information that's only recently been added, before it's removed!
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for continuing to contribute to this article. I really hope we can eventually bring it to GA-status, as that would be an amazing show of intellectual ability, to take a topic as potentially titillating as bikinis, and produce a highly-encyclopaedic and interesting article on it but still w/o being dull or censorious!
1436:, proves no point and the citations that you provide do not refer to the garment even once (the only bikini they quote is an island, not a beachwear). This is perfectly unacceptable, and adding it repeatedly back in various pretexts ("Cultural differences", "Etymology", "Island culture" etc.) amounts up to
676:, proves no point and the citations that you provide do not refer to the garment even once (the only bikini they quote is an island, not a beachwear). This is perfectly unacceptable, and adding it repeatedly back in various pretexts ("Cultural differences", "Etymology", "Island culture" etc.) amounts up to
4410:) is a tweak to one of his edits that did not remain true to a source (a slight matter of straying from the source, but straying nevertheless). As for the section you restored, you seem to be confusing the sections. I restored the Bikini waxing section, and my rationale above is quite rational. Ewawer
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Just one more point before I leave this topic - what is the promotional rubbish in the Men's bikini section. This objection ties in with the views I expressed above, which is that anything that adds bikini into its description gets thrown into this article. For example, why is a "bikini tan" here? It
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With regard to my motives, I am fully aware of BRD - and after considering it decided I was in contravention, so I reverted myself as you'll see from the page history. the timescale is a tricky one. If an image is removed, and no comment is forthcoming, at yet it is then later re-instated - at what
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An article should not give undue weight to any aspects of the subject but should strive to treat each aspect with a weight appropriate to its significance to the subject. For example, discussion of isolated events, criticisms, or news reports about a subject may be verifiable and impartial, but still
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is trying to amass a collection of bikini-related trivia, and would just encourage the raising and discussion here of concerns about information that any one of us has added recently, before deleting it without allowing a chance for the editor to contextualize the details. Thanks again to both of you
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Marshall Island customs. Not sure why the info isn't relevant or why the refs don't pass muster. It adds a world-wide vantage to the article which from my perspective helps to reduce your concern with undue weight given to
Western points of view. Perhaps it doesn't belong in Etymology but in Cultural
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argument about the Swim briefs article, something I also thought about before you mentioned it, that article is not about the topic of bikinis; yes, a man's swim briefs will sometimes be referred to as a bikini, but it's clearly not the general case; I already acknowledged that above, including that
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reflects on when considering how to edit this article, and I hope it's something you can resolve quickly and amicably. I know neither of you want to waste your time - or another editor's - by adding content to the article that's then removed, but I'm concerned that this could be a danger here (which
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I didn't know I was making such an impression. By all means keep me on the straight and narrow, or as some say, keep this bastard honest. As for my rationale for deleting the bikini waxing section - it is that just because an activity uses the word bikini does not necessarily make it anything to do
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nomination, for example, the reviewer (if experienced in knowing how a good
Knowledge article should be formatted) would note that cutting the lead down so significantly is not desired when it comes to Knowledge standards, and would ask that it is significantly expanded (but ideally does not exceed
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article. I have been unable to respond to you personally or the article review since last week momentous events occurred effecting our family (but thankfully positive ones!!). I have not even been able to visit
Knowledge but for once, briefly, in the past nine days... I understand the article needs
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adds - "Bikinis gradually became briefer and lower with narrower sides in the 1970s, and by the late 70s/early 80s hipster bottoms with string sides and ties became standard wear for any follower of fashion. By the 1990s however, fashions changed and high-cut bottoms and bandeau tops were in vogue.
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Finally, I believe, it needs to be mentioned that you approach to maintain you edit was also flawed. You reverted the re-addition with the edit summary that said - "if you want discussion to take place regarding re-insertion, then it should be done *prior* to the re-insertion." What you said is in
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Hmmmm. Three editors have already found the image to be redundant. All with fair amount of logical argument. That should decide the fate of the image anyways. Hiding it right away, though with a bit of regret, as a fair long section without an image to break the monotony reduces accessibility and
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and there were no comments regarding it at the time of removal. I don't think it's a good image for the page, as outlined in the edit summary: I'm pretty sure that as there has been a considerable time delay in the removal and re-insertion, I would be justified in removal and beginning BRD from
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of motives and emotions that have no basis in reality. Your provocative statements exceed my interest in answering them further. You are quite clear and emphatic that you know the one and right way. So have it your--or the WP--way, whatever you'd like to call it. Finish your edits here, or don't.
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Where did you get the following information - "Bikinis gradually became briefer and lower with narrower sides in the 1970s, and by the late 70s/early 80s very low hipster bottoms with string sides and ties became the fashion. By the 1990s however, fashions changed and high-cut bottoms and bandeau
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Too much focus and too detailed information on things that has little impact on the subject hardly makes the article encyclopedic. Consider the facts that you wrote a whole paragraph on some incidence in a Dubai Mall and another paragraph on two
Philippines girls posting on facebook. And, funnily
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Like BT said, "I appreciate your bold edits and desire to improve the article" and I'm really glad you came back to the article on my request after several years away. I also think there is value in the inclusion of information that "demonstrates different culture's reactions to women wearing the
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And, your assumption that "this just image insertion for image sake" shows a a marked disrespect for research and other editors. If you had researched you would have known that I have been working long hard on removing all irrelevant images down to the last detail (and that includes a storefront
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I just want to point out that I added a {{citation needed}} tag to the following sentence: "The bikini gradually grew to gain wide acceptance in
Western society, though it is still unacceptable in most Muslim countries. Some Muslim countries permit the wearing of a bikini; however, it is usually
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as if my edits purposefully sought to violate WP policy. If you'd bothered to check my edit history, you'd see no evidence of that kind of behavior. Demanding that I add sources, you ask me where I got the content, "Bikinis gradually became briefer and lower...", but if you had examined the page
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studies, as there are several excellent photos of individual models (and pairs) wearing bikinis that are presented in great detail, front and rear. For example, I'm sure you'll agree with me that the following images from that set provide useful detail, especially in better-understanding fit and
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I too am concerned about the lede. Was not there done a Good
Article review that would've provided a very accurate template for what had to be done to this article to improve it? One paragraph of the lead listing other styles of bikinis I would not think it. And also am surprised by the radical
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As for BRD, it is not the timeframe, or nitpicking the policies, rather it is more about using discretion and being reasonable (and, of course, it's about not using the edit summaries as an alternative to discussion). We are all volunteers here, and there is not deadline. If someone requests a
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And, while you keep repeating that - "A much better example of bikini variants exists in the next section, which includes descriptions and images of the different types". I can see none. Can you link the image here? The next section is about bikini underwear. If you meant the sub-section then,
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cover. In modern
Marshallese society, it is generally fashionable for women to wear Western-influenced clothing that covers both parts of the body, but it not generally considered modest for a woman to be seen wearing a bikini for the reason that it exposes her bare thighs." in the cultural
3872:, keep in mind that the lead (per WP:Lead) is supposed to adequately summarize the article, including the history of the topic, and that the lead is now significantly lacking in that regard. This is just a note on what is generally expected of Knowledge leads. If this article were up for a
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for the content and the sourced Bikini waxing article. The fact that bikini waxing can happen independent of ever wearing a bikini does not mean that the topic of bikini waxing, such as including a Bikini waxing section, should not be in the Bikini article. Furthermore, bikini waxing is
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yeah, well, that's an entirely different subject. Feel free to start a new section on the technical merits or limits of the pictures, and feel free to voice your opinion on whether to keep or remove the lead picture on grounds of suspected commercialism in this section :-) Regards,
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is because the tanner was wearing a bikini which leaves a tan shaped by the bikini. What if the tan was shaped like a camel, should that also go into the camel article? Also, I note the statement at the top of the article as to what it is about - which refers to a female swimsuit.
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TUSC tool to bulk upload more images, but could not get it to work so just left it at these four uploaded manually. But yes, there are quite a few interesting pics of various bikinis from the 2010s in the flickr set that may be of interest to students of the subject(s).
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Knowledge is not about pretty or perfect images. It's about relevant and encyclopedic images. It doesn't really matter if "the bikinis in question are behind the main subject, not the focus of the image, and one of the three is completely obscured by a windows pillar
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article and make it too dense to serve as the effective "umbrella" article that it could be. I really appreciate your laser-like focus and the effort you've put in here, striving to keep this article manageable/reasonable in size. Let me ask you this - do you think
944:. All three serve as spin-off articles for this mother article. Anything that can't be accommodated here without making the article unmanageably huge or terribly skewed, can definitely fit in one of those three articles. Also, two variants have their own articles:
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as noted in the edit comment to integrate it later on. You've tackled that in a head-on fashion it seems without any real input or regard for other people's process and I don't wish to butt heads with someone who regards himself as the expert on all matters WP. —
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P.S. I am fixing the broken parts now, and I hope you understand the reasons. Please prove why those stuff should be done your way and not the apparent way of
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as noted in the edit comment to integrate it later on. You've tackled that in a head-on fashion it seems without any real input or regard for other people's process and I don't wish to butt heads with someone who regards himself as the expert on all matters WP."
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with caption - "Women modeling a low-rise bikini with tie sides at the 2009 Run to the Sun fashion show in Anchorage, Alaska". Changes the caption of the bikini models running image to - "Girls wearing mid-rise bikinis on the Pensacola, Florida beach in 1969".
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Yes, I understand. Consider the leader as work in progress. By the time I post this it already has taken a new shape. With the little more continued effort I am sure it will be up for strictest of standards. It at least should be better than before already.
1590:, but take a look at the article again anyway if you have time, since it's up for a GA-review and there's still time to edit it before that process starts, so as much proofreading, copyediting, and any other appropriate editing is totally helpful now!!
1424:, among other thing - "While you complain about removal of some image without mentioning the information it was accompanying and while you claim that the "Cultural differences" section adds worldwide vantage, you keep ignoring a core Knowledge policy -
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I have engaged with you before, and I find you to be a sensible editor. I have no clue as to what provoked you so. But, rest assured that I don't own the image, and I am ready to remove it myself (an intention that was expressed in the peer review as
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in content, or is the article granularly-appropriate, with highly-readable subsections that provide overview and enough detail to educate reader but w/o usurping the role of the more focused spin-off articles? My goal all along has been to see
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Just a heads up that since the article has entered into a period of stability, with the three most prolific contributors having concluded their most active periods editing and improving the article, I made the Good Article Nomination for
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and posts to the talk page - "Well, since you think you have the WP "Way" cornered, and aren't really working in a collaborative fashion, I'm going to leave it to you to finish this in any way that pleases you. I moved the content from
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2343:"Belgium, Italy, Spain and Australia also banned the swimsuit that same year."; "banned in Spain, Portugal and Italy, three countries neighboring France, as well as Belgium and Australia, and it remained prohibited in many US states"--
649:. While you complain about removal of some image without mentioning the information it was accompanying and while you claim that the "Cultural differences" section adds worldwide vantage, you keep ignoring a core Knowledge policy -
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used in the lead. The lead and many WP:Reliable sources note that a variety of swimwear are bikinis, not simply called "bikini." And these varieties are not always a two-piece woman's swimsuit, or a woman's swimsuit. Yes, the term
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for the work you put into this article, and thanks to any other editors who have done and are doing the same...And I really do appreciate the positive contributions b/c it was a very lonely time here this summer trying to improve
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This article mentions Reard, the designer, got 50,000 letters in 'fan mail' over the first suit he had modeled - but in the Knowledge article on the model, Micheline Bernardini, it is her who is referred to as getting the 50,000
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I agree, the legal section is just a collection of interesting facts that haven't yet been linked into a whole. It does need more thought given to it and synthesis. Interestingly enough, I wrote most of the section on
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have their own detailed subsections including both images, and linking of the term. Where is the justification for these specific terms when none of the other bikini styles are also listed in the "See Also"
952:. There's a side bar in this article that links to five famous bikinis. Can we collaborate on the three major spin-off articles. It's a lot of work for one or two editors, but some one needs to do something.
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Well, since you think you have the WP "Way" cornered, and aren't really working in a collaborative fashion, I'm going to leave it to you to finish this in any way that pleases you. I moved the content from
617:. If you are inclined to make a note of all the great bikini moments, try out a separate article on that subject. If its encyclopedic and notable enough it will stay on. There are many such moments. Check
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Nothing has me riled. I just feel that the image in question is unnecessary to the page, for the reasons stated above. There's no reason that an image of several types of bikini should be included when
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BTW, the Marshall Island culture bit doesn't look to be a fact at all. The references given don't mention it at all, and no reference to support that bit of information could be found. Let's stick to
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of the history of the bikini? How many of those popular bikinis should be included (unless they have a serious impact on the history, like contributing to mass acceptance of the bikini like the
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I am sure that you are aware that hundreds and hundreds of actresses "walked out of the ocean wearing a bikini". How is Demi Moore wearing a bikini more significant than the rest? Since the an
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suit in different contexts" (BT) and wouldn't want to see that information simply deleted w/o discussion, especially if we could find a better way to utilize it. I definitely don't think that
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has much better images of them all - whether they're individual, or collected in the same picture is not an issue. Regardless of whether it's a free use image, we should be asking whether
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The two "relevant bookends" that you quoted are definitely relevant if we were not trying to do a summary of the history. Incidentally, both bits of information are already there in the
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I can't help feeling a little attacked by btphelps' repeated accusations, mostly misplaced. Therefore, I have taken some time to present the whole story. Here it goes, blow by blow:
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Per the image information, the woman on the picture is named Anna Paola. Googling "anna paola swimwear" I land in a web shop. One "Anna Paola" works there as a swimwear designer.
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As a swimsuit designer I have found that a bikini is a very personal thing to each and every women and I'm curious to the women reading this article what do you like in a bikini?
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Is it possible to better integrate the table and the prose. I.e., there are a lot of things in the prose not in the table. Can we find content and pictures to improve the table?--
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Ewawer has made a number of fine edits here, and I think I will like to hear his point of view before passing an opinion. I have reinstated the section, with some edits made per
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Celebrities do not need to be mentioned twice in the LEAD to convey the point (consider removing the phrase "by film stars like Ava Gardner, Rita Hayworth, and Lana Turner").--
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Hmmm. Okay. Both Bikini waxing and Bikini tan are back. Keep and eye on the edits if you can manage the time. So far Ewawer haven't made any comment. And that cannot be good.
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What reliable sources? Merriam-Webster is not really a reliable source. I still say that these categories are marketing-based and not popular community terms. I note that in
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One question though: if wikilinks are made in the lead, should they then not appear again in the article? For example, w/ the names of celebrities associated w/ the bikini?
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article... If there are problems with the history section or the choice of iamges that you can identify, please describe them here so they can be discussed and rectified."
967:! I absolutely agree with you that the spin-off articles are valuable and can serve as repositories for any overly-detailed information that might otherwise saturate this
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Please note: I am making no accusations here. It's quite possible the uploader of the picture is in no way connected with this shop or any related commercial ventures.
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discussion, the best approach is to comply and not try to find policies to throw at their face. That essentially is bad attitude. Cheers.
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3523:Thank you for your feedback on this.
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4686:Talk:Bikini/Archive 2#Men's bikinis
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