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243: 1351:- We need to think of the general audience and how a person's common knowledge would interpret the word "English". Majority of people associate the word English as in language not nationality. Seeing as you consider "British band" out of the equation due to Scotland also being part of Great Britain, then this needs to be thought through in more depth. Scottish band could also be confusing in some degree, as most people associate "Scottish" as in language not nationality. I think the disambiguation within both band's titles needs more definition on them both; seeing as they are both "British" (one being from England and one from Scotland). 3209:, it had been established that Blue (English band) fulfilled 3 out of 5 criteria; whereas Blue (boy band) fulfilled all 5 of them. If one title name fulfils for criteria than the other, then surely commonsense should kick in as to which title would be the correct version? Would you tell a soccer team who lost a match that they are actually the winners because they scored less goals than the other team? No, you wouldn't. So why would a title which fulfils less criteria be deemed the correct title, while the one which fulfilled 338: 317: 532: 511: 542: 406: 437: 233: 1910:

referendum for independence, but before the results are in, and independence is officially declared and recognised, the situation hasn't changed. Compare it with the situation here in Finland - the vast majority of Finns take great pride in not understanding Swedish, but that doesn't change the fact that Finland is officially a bilingual country. Still, even if Scotland were to become independent, moving this article to

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distinctive title of Boyband Blue, rather than ambiguous Blue English band. Commonsensical facts should clearly override any decision to defect away from reality. The title as it stands wouldn't be the first choice someone would type in a search engine to look for the band. Plus, if the band is an "English band" then all the artists would be English nationality, and that isn't the case here.

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since their creation as a "boy band". They are famously known globally as a "boy band" and/or "group". Ask any random person in the street, around the world how they recognise Blue as, and the majority answer would be "boy band/group". It would be rare for anyone to refer to them as the "English band". Nevertheless, you have even agreed that

3146:(from RFC) I would have thought the Blue (Boy band) would be a far better disambiguator as boy band is used to describe the group in the first sentence of the article. The fact that another boy band could be called Blue or even that another English band is formed called Blue is not a current problem and could be dealt with it ever happens. 128: 1260:. I hadn't considered that 'English' might be interpreted as 'English-language', though I wonder whether most readers really would think of langauge before nationality. Musical groups generally are not thought of according to language since usually that is a product of nationality. Even in the examples provided at 3163:

To explain my close a bit, there was obvious consensus that the former title was inappropriate, and of the various alternatives suggested, the nominator's was the best supported. While Wesley has pointed out some potential issues with the current title, they are not overwhelming, and additionally two

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Please let's not get bogged down in specific words when the meaning is clear. Any lack of clarity in my original comment should have been cleared up by my subsequent comment. Further, there's no cause to take offence as I never questioned your vision or language comprehension—when a misunderstanding

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The term "more in line with" doesn't mean consistency, I'm afraid to say. Consistency is to follow the same pattern as those of similar articles. But like I said many times now. It is a known fact that Anthony Costa, Simon Webbe, Lee Ryan, and Duncan James have collectively established their band

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No because for some reason the word German as a nation and as a language are both 'strong enough' if you get what I mean. But English usually refers to the language. It's kind of rare to see the word English referring to a nationality instead of the language. That's strange and inconsistent yes, but

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also states that distinctiveness and what a band is generalized as would take higher billing than nationalism. As Blue (comprising of Anthony, Duncan, Lee, and Simon) have globally established themselves for the last 10 years as a "boy band", then that terminology is more distinctive than "English

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As strange as it might sound to you, but Scotland isn't British. You ask any resident of Scotland if they are British, and they would most likely slap you in the face for insulting them. The people of Scotland take pride of their heritage and nationality, and that is more evident in the fact that

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I think you're correct about the association of the word 'English', but we need to consider the context. 'English' without any context most likely refers to the language; 'English band' seems far less likely to be misunderstood as 'English-language band'. In any case, this seems to touch on a wider

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Oooohh! Rock boy band! Now there's a fresh new idea for the music industry. On that note I'd say "never, say never" to there being a rock boy band at some stage in the future lol. But yes, I agree it makes more sense to move both articles now, this one to Blue (boy band); and the other to Blue

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With that in mind, I think it would be a sensible thing to discuss this thoroughly, and working to a compromising conclusion as to what title should be used, and then resubmitting an RM; as it is clear the previous one had been closed prematurely.. Despite earlier supports for the title (English

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also gives examples for natural disambiguation terms. The fact that three bands, all with the name Blue, and all from Great Britain; causes a lot of issues with which band would warrant which name. However, like I just mentioned, if one name is more recognized than the other, then would a name

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The band Blue are globally well-known as a boyband rather than an English band. Sources on the article alone also make references to the term "boyband". Articles for each of the band members also refer to them as being members of a "boyband". Based on distinctiveness, the band's established

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The Current article name is defecting away from the actual known recognition of the band. When you read the article it refers to them as a "pop boy band", and the sources used all refer to the same "boy band" terminology. A person searching for the band on here would automatically look for

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So, no matter how much the Scottish take pride in their heritage and yearn for times before 1706, the current fact is that Scotland is British. A couple of Scottish people I might meet down at the pub in Scotland do not constitute an authoritative source. The Scottish might well be holding a

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they are holding a referendum of independence, which the British Prime Minister (David Cameron MP) has agreed to allow Scotland become independent without any qualms, if they (the voting people) wish to gain independence. I actually gave a couple of solutions around the naming for both.

2561:. The naming of article titles should reflect on the common name used throughout the sources. So if the majority of the sources refer to the group as Blue (English band) then that would be the name. Alas though, 99% of the sources across the web refer to Blue as a boy band or group. 2052:– Titles follow the same pattern as those of similar articles. Many of these patterns are documented in the naming guidelines listed in the Specific-topic naming conventions box above, and ideally indicate titles that are in accordance with the principles behind the above questions. 1137:

the suggested move name of Blue (English band). English band could refer to American English/Australian English etc; and the band are from neither of those nations. However, I would support if the name was Blue (British band), as that is more explanatory in the title definition.

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Is a duo considered to be a band? If so, then you're right. Disambiguation by the number of members is not ideal, since the membership of an active band can change. We can't disambiguate by genre either since all three are pop bands, which leaves ... decade, city of origin? --

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is a BLP stub, and has a maintenance tag dated October 2010, asking for references etc, to keep in-line with notability guidelines for music, or the article may be deleted. As there have been none, then that article should have been deleted a long time ago.

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Sorry, but I read your comment fully, and there was only one (possible two) criteria that you cited, not three. I may be tired, but I ain't blind and can read English very well indeed. I shall highlight the criteria you mentioned in your post above...

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anyway. A band plays instruments, Blue don't play instruments, they sing to backing tracks, and on live performances have a band ensemble (group of people) who play instruments live. So group is technically the correct terminology anyhow.

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I wouldn't be surprised if 99% of the chart positions listed were false. Various IPs and at least one registered user constantly change chart positions on the articles for the various members of Blue, which I'm constantly reverting. --

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Would anyone have a problem if I removed all the chart positions that aren't referenced and added a table I've been working on that contains only referenced chart positions? The others can always be added back if sources are found. --

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original nomination. No one is really going to think "English band" refers to a band from the US or Australia. Added to that, "English XYZ" is used a disambiguator in hundreds of articles and I can't recall it ever being a problem.

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satisfies: conciseness (which you pointed out originally), precision (see "just a precise...") and consistency ("more in line with..."). I did, of course, read your comment and agreed with much (not all) of it. We both agree that

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I've tagged this article for a clean up. The Discography section especially needs citation for most chart positions. I've made a start but need to gather more information and sources. Any help would be appreciated :) --

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refers to bands of American and Australian nationality, not bands that use American or Australian English. Also, currently we have several articles that use the "(English band)" form of disambiguation, including:

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That is a good thing then. It shows that editors are showing a keen interest in discussion that concern issues like this. It is nice to have a full discussion, rather than have nobody discussing at all.

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an "English band". Going off the five criteria and how the band have established themselves over the last decade, then its pure and simple what the article's name should be. Not exactly brain science.

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as it was. However after asking a more experienced user to comment on this; she noted that a wikipedia article name needs to be very distinctive and should not hold any higher billing than the other.

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band), it is very evident from further comments after those votes of "support", that a decision between (English band) or (boyband) had not been reached, as some people were in favour of either name.

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talk page, where some have suggested the article shouldn't even exist given that there is no real criteria as to what a boy band actually is. The naming convention is to list by nationality, such as

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If previous consensus and policy supports the current name of the article, then I would lean slightly to the article name not changing. We simply can't continually change the name of the article. --

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fulfills only one criterion. The latter is concise, just as precise as the former (we do not have an article about another English band called 'Blue'), and more in line with similar articles and

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at first glance seems to mean a band who sings in English to me, as weird as that sounds. British is clearer imo. But I've also given some suggestions at the discussion below. Basically I think

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band". Every person on the planet recognises the group as a boy band. The millions and millions of articles on the internet refer to them as a "boy band"; so that alone proves that they are

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English band is more correct. Boy band is inappropriate. The guys are all around 30 now, so they're hardly boys. The term boy band itself is fairly controversial given the discussions on the

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and understand why you consider it to be the best option; my only goal was to point out that the alternative is not nearly as bad as you had suggested in your reply to AjaxSmack. Best, --

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five criterion. Purely for the fact that Blue (boy band) is more recognisable than Blue (English band). The lads have established themselves for well over a decade as a "boy band",

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fulfills only one criterion? And that it also fulfils concise? Did you actually read my breakdown of each of the five criterion above? The only criterion I said that it fulfilled

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There seems to be two versions of Costa's first name being spelt on Knowledge (XXG). In the article it is spelt as Antony, although the official Blue website gives it as Anthony.

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an English band. The change of bracketed title name is defecting away from actualism of many other articles on here relating to the band members and their discography articles.

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As much as I can see why you have posted extracts from the Scotland and Great Britain articles, I do find it a little over patronising on your part; more so when I am

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would be the more appropriate choice, which would also lead to reviewing the possibilities of article naming for the remainder using the same 5 criterion set out at

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lies to its west. Politically, Great Britain may also refer to the island itself together with a number of surrounding islands which comprise the territory of

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It's distinguishing alright but doesn't really describe the band. Nowhere has the band ever referred to as an "English band", it's always been a "boy band".--

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per above. I fail to see how anyone would interpret "English band" to mean a band from the US or Australia. If they are from England, they're called English.

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recommends disambiguation using "(band)", not "(group)", and further disambiguation by nationality: "Use further disambiguation only when needed (for example

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is going to work honestly. We're forgetting how the general audience associate names here. Nobody looking for the boyband Blue would think to search for

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Now that Blue is the UK act for Eurovision 2011 its perhaps time to sort this article out. Perhaps some rewriting is the best way to improve the article.--

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would be a viable option too. The only issue here is all three bands called Blue are from Great Britain. So even your suggested move could work for

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I agree with the person who said the chart positions are wrong. I'm removing the chart positions for the albums. The singles chart positions are

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You may wish to make that note known in your original vote above then, as it only states support to one name now, and not 2 versions. Regards,

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It is a known fact that the group are of four young male singers (Anthony Costa; Simon Webbe; Lee Ryan; and Duncan James). They have become

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there are five characteristics to be considered on article naming - Recognizability; Naturalness; Precision; Conciseness; and Consistency.

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I've no idea. Apparently the consensus was to move here, even though everyone expressed that either title would be suitable. And that

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fulfils 5 - and the fact one name ticks more of the criteria boxes than the other adds weight to which name would be more appropriate.

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As they globally established as being a boy band, rather than an English band, then the naturalness in boy band is very obvious. So

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The juxtaposition of Scottish/boy does not form an exclusive pair, i.e. the two do not disambiguate. Either use countries, i.e.

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is fulfils recognizability as the terminology is more commonly connected with Boy Band Blue (Anthony, Duncan, Lee, and Simon).

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as the former (we do not have an article about another English band called 'Blue'), and more in line with similar articles and

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unfortunately that's how it is in most countries whose mother language is not English. And I agree with Wesley☀Mouse below. --

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nor have they ever been known as an English band. When we compared the two proposed options against the five criterion at

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as the former name is how the band established themselves and have been known as for the last 10 years or so - thus making

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Maybe so for the Scottish band. But the main factor that appears to be being ignored for this particular article is the

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British. A Scots persons gets highly offended and insulted at being referred to as British and not Scottish.

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As an aside comment, this move discussion now takes up over 77% of the entire contents of the talk page.

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occurs, blindness or a poor grasp of the English language are hardly the first causes that come to mind.

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I can understand that Scottish people feel offended by being called British, but moving this article to

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I don't see any consensus to move the page to Blue (boy band). In fact, such a name would break with

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article also refers to him as being a member of a "boyband". And not surprisingly, the articles for

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is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under

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I think that would be a step in the right direction, and so I've started a deletion discussion for

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His name his Antony Daniel Costa. I have some Blue CD's and his name is always written without h.

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The current title may well distinguish the difference between nationalism of the two bands. But

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I've delved more into these 3 articles, and the solution may be easier than we anticipated.

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The redirects mentioned above no longer apply as references to the Blue singer now point to

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terminology of boyband surely would take president over a ambiguous title of English band.

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is officially a rock band, so there wouldn't be any deviance by renaming that article

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Should it be mentioned that if it was just the public vote, they would of placed 5th

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and would inevitably end up being moved when a new boy band named Blue was formed.

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recommend disambiguation such as "(German band)", "(French band)" and the like. --

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Due to the naturalness the term boy band, is more precise than English band. So

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is half-Greek, and his article on here states he is a member of a "boyboand".

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and not one of them refers to them singing in the Irish language. By the way,

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and globally established as being a boy band, rather than an English band. So

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I read that they sold over 7 million. It is a big difference, don't you think?

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OK, you have convinced me now. I'm happy with moving this article to either

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are equal and don't make either higher billed than the other. However,

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is recognisable and would comply to the criterion; as would renaming

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http://www.josepvinaixa.com/blog/blue-break-my-heart-video-premiere/

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may be seen as concise; so either name fulfils the fourth criteria.

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And then there's the thing that there already is an article about

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sold only over 3.7 million records. But on their official website

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won't do any harm, because we won't be moving the other article

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has only fulfilled one. Then the consistency would show that

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the distinctive option based on Knowledge (XXG) policies.

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for additional information. I made the following changes:

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Please reread my comment. I identify three criteria that

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So if they were from Germany, we couldn't move them to

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as they too are from England and are an English duo.

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