Talk:Blues/Archive 2

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such as John Henry, Long Jim or John, Stackolee, and the Grey Goose permeated the storylines of most of these songs. "John Henry", the black railroad worker who wins the Pyrrhic victory over the steam engine and consequently dies, represents the conflict between white and black, and even the fight against industrialization. "John Henry"-type songs were performed in minstrelsy, but not with the same character content shown in this type of ballad. The occupation of John Henry could be changed to fit any form of work the African-American was engaged in. "Long John" or "Long Jim" were aphorisms for the downtrodden worker or prisoner who rebelled against his master successfully. "Stackolee" or Stagger Lee was a "bad nigger" who completely disregarded the society that held him captive and murdered or committed violence against others. "Stackolee" is so unstoppable that in some versions he dies and then battles the devil in Hell and wins. The "Grey Goose" was a sign for indestructibility and defiance in the face of an almost insurmountable enemy. The goose is shot, skinned, and eaten, but is seen once again flying over its killers.

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Plantation between Ruleville and Cleveland, Mississippi boasted this ethnic mixture during the beginning of the twentieth century. The guitar perfectly suited the rural musician in an accompaniment capacity. Its small size and weight allowed mobility, while at the same time having a large and varied tonal range for different performance styles. The flexible rhythmic qualities of the guitar allowed the musician to add emotion and dramatics to each different song when warranted. The 6 and 12 string arrangement of the instrument allowed for variable tunings. A popular tuning was the "Spanish" tuning (D-G-D-G-B-D) or open A. This tuning was primarily used for slide guitar compositions. This tuning is similar to a standard banjo tuning, so adaptation from one instrument to the other was easily learned. The tonal composition was more fluid and orchestral than a standard E tuning. This allowed for a fuller, extra textural sound during performance.

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did not use the folk music from Africa? This "sharing" occured in the racist segregated south? The illiterare sharecroppers plagatized what exactly? Ghey had no folk songs. The people who had negro slave spirituals did not have folk music? This Little Light, Go tell it on the mountain, He's Got the Whole World in His Hands and.... many, many more... Why did they use European music? Do blacks listen to white music? Do they like the Beatles, Elvis? This is more racist whitewashing.. Blacks used English... That is about it. .. Jesus... Show some valid sources.. There was no direct and/or substantial influence from songs they probably didn't know. The slaves, share croppers made music everyday. "Nigger work songs" "Negro Spirituals" are Folk Music. Name or cite a Blues musician who credits influnce to European folk music. The BBC really? I will be contacting them..

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Responsorial work-songs diminished when the plantations were broken up, but persisted in the southern penitentiary farms until the 1950s. After the Reconstruction era, black workers either engaged in seasonal collective labour in the South or tended smallholdings leased to them under the system of debt-serfdom known as sharecropping. Work-songs therefore increasingly took the form of solo calls or 'hollers', comparatively free in form but close to blues in feeling. The vocal style of the blues probably derived from the holler... Blues instrumental style shows tenuous links with African music. Drumming was forbidden on slave plantations, but the playing of string instruments was often permitted and even encouraged, so the musicians among slaves from the savanna regions, with their strong traditions of string playing, predominated. The

1789:"That blue notes predate their use in blues and have an African origin is attested to by "A Negro Love Song", by the English composer Samuel Coleridge-Taylor, from his African Suite for Piano, written in 1898, which contains blue third and seventh notes.” insofar as Coleridge-Taylor was born and bred in London and had never been to Africa, but visited the USA a number of times, this assertion is reaching, to say the least. No mention is made of the common theory that the blue notes resulted from the slave’s wavering attempts to assimilate the unfamiliar “hard” notes of the diatonic scales, particularly the major third, which he found in the hymnals of his masters. 1973: 1877: 848:. "Blues" (without definite article) is a very widely and commonly used term, and there is no good reason to depart from established practice and guidance here. If there were very strong reasons, I would not necessarily oppose either "Blues music" or "Blues (music)" - but none of the arguments made so far have convinced me that such a move is either necessary or helpful. I remain opposed to naming the article "The blues" for reasons already stated. I also agree with the points made by 869:. I see both sides of this one, remembering that the first time I tried to find the blues on Knowledge I included the definite article. However, a search on google books reveals that there are a very large number of important titles that simply use the form "blues". Therefore I think the move is unecessary. If a move were demonstrated to be necessary I would probably prefer "the blues" to "blues music", but both would be accurate and I could see myself joining a consensus around them.-- 31: 1315:

which is worth telling at this place. The same is IMHO true for "There are few characteristics common to all blues music, because the genre took its shape from the idiosyncrasies of individual performances." I think such a major change to the article should be discussed here before being implemented. I shall reverse those changes in a near future if no opposite opinion were to be expressed.

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Vanity". The nuances of the folk tunes would mix with whatever ethnicity was predominant in the region. Caucasian country music would arise from these in some areas while zones with Afro-American majorities started the blues. The musicians’ methodology was much less segregated than conventional society, with genre styles intermingling with one another freely.

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relatively easy for most blues musicians. The subject matter dealt with in ballads is also echoed in the blues. Ballads dealt with themes of love, locations, people, and events. The ballad almost always took the narrative form, relying on the iconography of the subject matter to help produce greater imagery in the song.

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Charlie Patton, and subsequently country artists like Jimmie Rogers and Hank Williams, held no constriction to a genre mentally, just in playing capability. Patton’s "Going To Move To Alabama", is a prime example of this integration. The song is the basic blues form, but the fiddle accompaniment adds

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changed the lead paragraph to a very long one with plenty of details which I think are not relevant to the common reader. For instance "The first publication of blues sheet music was in 1908: Antonio Maggio's "I Got the Blues" is the first published song to use the word blues." is not an information

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The structure of most ballads was almost identical to that of early blues, with the AAB form, and differed in the minstrel type in that the blues concerned bawdier, less publicly performed subjects. The Anglo-European style was already apparent in most minstrelsy, so picking up on the structure was

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The BBC is an academic source about the Blues? No American source availble? They do not even support the claim. There are no examples or exploration. What Folk Music? What songs? This source does not expand on any of this. No examples. No analysis. What did the use from the folk songs. The slaves

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is the form that appears to be widely used when discussing the blues. I did a little research before making the move, and I also checked back in the archives to see if this had previously been discussed. It looks to me as though "blues" has been used as the title incorrectly, and others reading the

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Reverse what changes? All of them?? The changes made by OnBeyondZebrax represented a big improvement on what was there previously, making it more informative and more in line with general WP practice on introductory sections. I'm happy with at least 90% of the current version, though like you I

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The main division between African-American and Caucasian styles of balladry is the degree to which the topic matter was taken. The "black" ballad venerated outlaws, tricksters, and folk heroes its "white" relative would never touch, and at a much faster, call and response oriented rhythm. Figures

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As a music student, one of my homework assignments is to research the history of blues. I went to the blues page here at Knowledge and was surprised to find no sound examples of different types of blues. Wouldn't it be nice if Knowledge used the full potential of an online encyclopedia by adding

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appears to be the standard form for naming and discussing this topic. A blues singer would say "I sing the blues" rather than "I sing blues". The definite article is dropped when it is replaced by a descriptor, such as "Chicago" blues, or by the indefinite article, such as "a" blues singer. When

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The first popular African-American musicians were trained to play classical European music. Waltzes appear in most accounts of minstrel shows. European folk tunes and hymns from the British Isles found their way into black music in such songs as "Greensleeves", "Lord Randall", and " The Golden

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The musical influences of the early blues are not solely African-American. Slave culture did not grow in a vacuum devoid of Western societal influence. The slave owner’s traditions segued into the past African and African-American stimuli to change the musical technique distinctly. All Western

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In its early years the blues was wholly African American... Influential in its development were the collective unaccompanied work-songs of the plantation culture, which followed a responsorial 'leader-and-chorus' form that can be traced not only to pre-Civil War origins but to African sources.

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Imo, a) this sentence needs to be split in two; and b) the first statement (underlined) needs to be expressed more clearly to reflect the source (which does not actually make the claim, as currently written), if necessary using more scholarly sourcing (eg), to avoid the potential for very real

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These influences melded the Western with the African, and changed music forever. The infiltration of the European styles into the Afro-American cultural lexicon produced an inherently new and distinct genre. The drawing from these different roots would make the blues startlingly new, but with

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The first blues used the guitar, an instrument Spanish in origin and, perhaps, introduced into the Delta by Mexican and Italian immigrants during the late 1890s. Spanish/Latino song practices came into serious involvement with the instrumentation of the first blues. Tenant housing on Dockery

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blues is definitely the most common use of the word. The above examples have music in the title because they have other definitions outside of music. Blues is rarely used outside of music. Most people would look up "Sad" or "Sadness" if they wanted the other definition.

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Check Jerome K. Jerome's book 'Idle Thoughts of an Idle Fellow' of 1886. The second article reads "On being in the blues". Here, the term is already used in the modern sense of "being depressed". So the expression seems to have been common in England at the time.

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is the blues, sped up and played (initially) on the piano, and it seems to date to the 1870s. I'd speculate the blues existed before boogie-woogie did, but speculation is not part of an encyclopedia. However, I think we should honor the range of "the 1870s".

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article have simply assumed that the person naming it "blues" did so because there was a valid reason which they didn't know about. If there are valid reasons for calling it "blues" then it would be worth presenting them so a discussion can take place.

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move. Firstly, "(the) blues" is much more common than "blues music" and this article is the clear primary topic for "blues". The situation is different from, for example, "rock music" because rock music is not considered to be the primary topic for

432:, though with these examples there is no risk of confusion or conflict. I will notify significant contributors and WikiProjects of this discussion, and request that it is not closed for at least seven days, to allow a consensus to be built up. 192:— So far as I am aware, this page has been located at "Blues" since it was created in 2001, until the last few days. Again, so far as I am aware, there has been no dispute, objection or discussion about that title. However, on 31 December, 741:

Consistency among similar articles of course plays a role in determining the article's title, but the situation is a little different here. The titles you list are all disambiguated because the music genre has not been determined as the

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the blues. When B.B. King sings "Why I sing the blues," that's rather a lyrical accommodation to meter, rather than the way Black folks talk. If I'm referring to a blues artist, I'll say, "He/She sings blues" -- not

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on "Blues" vs. "Blues music", as either could work ok and I'm not averse to consistency of naming with other styles of music. Since the above rationale includes a lot about "Blues" vs "The blues", I'll also say I

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think that the Maggio reference is far too obscure and tangential to be mentioned in the lead. But, all it needs is a bit of tweaking, not a total reversion to the earlier inadequate version.

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on the first page of results. "Blues" is a well used term, which can imply being depressed, or a sports team who wear blue, or a number of other things. At one time it was a common name for

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linked to "music", it becomes "blues music", and is acceptable in that form. However the form "blues" does not often appear by itself. The form "the blues" falls into the same category as

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in favour of the need for it to be discussed here first. Having said that, I'm personally going to be off-site for a couple of days, and look forward to joining the debate on my return.

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historically recognizable oral, social, and ethnic themes. The European styles picked up by the musicians would be the final ingredient to the emergence of the early "Downhome" blues.

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specifies that we only start a page title with the definite article if the article is habitually capitalized in running text. This is not the case here, which is why we use

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Removed the entire paragraph about the plant & dye indigo as source for the term "blues." The only reference cited was a radio or tv program w/ no transcript provided.

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Of course we never will or should try to be overly precise about this, but "around the end of the 19th century" was not precise enough, especially as

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to change this article name to "The blues", which in my view is a major step which requires discussion and community consensus here first. I'm not

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The current article title "The blues" is unjustified on several counts. Firstly, the title "Blues" is long-established and has been uncontested.

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Could the 1905 song "Nobody" be worth mentioning for being a very 'popular' song,yet, the subject seems to express The Blues fairly well.(

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redirecting to this page as well, it makes no sense to use a disambiguated title. That is, unless you're saying that the music genre is

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would be more descriptive, and avoid the possible conflict over the Knowledge reluctance to use the definite article. We already have

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blues." Or, I'll say, "He called me, singin' the blues about his supervisor bein' on his back all the time." He's not actually

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it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a

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it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a

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the version with the unnecessary definite article (and would also regard the "I play blues" sentence as perfectly normal).

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the distinct sound of a white country song. Hank Williams’s "Move It on Over" is an almost blatant copy of Patton’s song.

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spirituals, work songs, field hollers, shouts and chants, and rhymed simple narrative ballads." Is that an improvement?

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frowns upon the use of the definite article, and there is uncertainty about using it in this article an alternative is

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Black talks of "dancing the blues" -- and I'm not sure many native-born U.S. citizens of any ethnicity do either.

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Oh, dear. has anyone written or stated that this song is in "blues form", musically or lyrically in any way?

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I just heard that on UTube and, according to me, this bit might be sad but has nothing to do with the blues.

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The first appearance of the blues is usually dated after the Emancipation Act of 1863, between 1870 and 1900

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I can see ten sound clips in the article, representing a diverse variety of styles. What am I missing?

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I've restored to the correct use of the term as the reason given for reverting is not neccessary. See

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I know „to be blue“ or „to have the blues“ like "to be sad" and I believe, blues was in origin a

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is closer to the spirit of old-time blues. Should we link the term, at least in parentheses?

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is scrambled in Firefox 5.01. It appears there is unreadable text on top of a picture?

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There is a danger of over-simplification, but it seems to me that some information from

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Blues is mostly based on improvisation. That opens up for new musical meetings at

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they have all the "music" after the genre, without it would define the first word.

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Anglo-European influence can also be seen in the surfacing of the Delta Blues.

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European ethnicities in the New World influenced the emerging genre’s style.

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moved the article, without any prior discussion, to "The blues", in

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Here is an example of fine improvisation at a jam session.

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The genre is a fusion of traditional African music and

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I've added the information I found into a new section

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