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Michell may have used this phrase - it does not appear in any documents identified in the Royal Society archive or in Michell's correspondence with Cavendish associated with the final letter that was published in the Philosophical Transactions in 1783. The
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Hi, I'd like to repeat my request that the following statement be removed "John
Michell used the term "dark star" in a November 1783 letter to Henry Cavendish" the citation is to a blog post I wrote where this claim is not made. Nor does the term appear in the referenced letter by Michell to
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Please remove this statement: "Michell referred to these bodies as dark stars.". The source given is a blog article on the Royal
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