Talk:Blond/Archive 6 - Knowledge (XXG)

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people's minds jumped to "it's sexual." In the case of the child image that started this dispute, I just don't get it at all. We have other child images in the article. Are we saying that a child image can never be the lead image in this article? Or is it just a problem with this image because the girl is what people would categorize as pretty and she is leaning against the wall in a nonchalant manner staring right at the camera? And how sexist is it to state that we must have a male lead image? Sighs.

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was assosiaced with the color red, white and gold). It is backed up by greek and roman sources or it's just popular depiction? Another thing: It is said that "In human culture, blond hair has long been associated with female beauty". I don't think that asians, africans and native americans culture associate blondness with beauty. Simply because it's almost non existent (if non existent at all) in those regions. Except for the indo-iranians in central Asia. Thank you for your time.

1532: 2437:(diverted from the French words "blond" and "blonde" for someone with a hair color resembling yellow) is a ] caused by very little ] in ]. Though the word has no exact translation in ], it might have developed from the French word "blanc" meaning white, or "blanche" for the feminine version of the word "white". Like the French language, it is spelled without the "e" for "blond" for a male and "blonde" for a female; due to the silent "e" making a word a feminine noun in the 1684:. I chose Option F over Option A because I think it is a better quality image and it skirts the issue that repeatedly came up as I was going through the search history about having a photograph of a living person as the lead image. This could be partly biased, though, just because I happen to be an admirer of Renaissance paintings. Option A is definitely a strong second choice for me. If consensus favors Option A, as I suspect it will, I will probably replace Veneto's 1478: 618:

Torks, Berendeis and Pechenegs, which were all brunet/te/s and of Mongoloid race. After the Holodomor many Russians were moved into Ukraine in order to replace the ones Stalin starved to death. Therefore all the blondes you see in Ukraine are not ethnically Ukrainian. You can see plenty of white people in Africa, for example, due to European colonialism, but that doesn't mean the minority of Caucasian settlers represent the entirety of the continent.

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real-life image, which I think many find preferable, it should at least be of good quality or high quality. I disagree with NICHOLAS NEEDLEHAM that the child image is sexualized and presents a pedophilic tone; Katolophyromai made strong arguments against that reasoning in the Child section above. Unlike

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from all of those as well. What happens here does not mean that other articles or other Wikipedias must follow. They need not follow the odd reasoning here for excluding the image as a lead image. Furthermore, the image not being used for the lead of this article does not mean it cannot be used lower

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that the image of the girl is the best picture, but I (as a Brit, not an American) can see what people are talking about with the sexualisation: it's not overt, but if a significant number of people think that way when they look at it, even if they are wrong to do so, then we should consider changing

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You see it all the time - someone having the subject in this case a kid waiting for the camera to click. Like - take the picture already. While it's not my style of picture taking I'm not seeing how it's creepy or unsavory. All I see is a kid with better things to do than stand there waiting for some

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from the list. Why? Because Ukrainians are never blond/e. The only white people (w/ red, brown, blond/e hair that is) you may have seen whose nationality happens to be "Ukrainian" are either Poles, Russians, Hungarians, Jews or even Tatars. Ukrainians are descended from Turkic tribes, such as Cumans,

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It is said in the article that Aphrodite hair color is blond. In some of the roman frescoes, Venus/Aphrodite it's depicted as brunette and generally as brown-haired. But this article shows only two images of Aphrodite/Venus as blonde, in which one it seems that it's just gold plaqued hair (Aphrodite

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I appreciate that you are trying to help by adding information to this article, but a person merely having blond hair does not make them warrant mention in this article. In order for a person to warrant mention in this article, that person must have significantly influenced perceptions of blond hair

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First choice: Option C because the subject is looking away from the camera, and has a beard, so the focus is on the color of hair. Option D is my second choice; Option G is third choice. Option A is my least favorite, as the image seems sexualized to me, especially given its contextual location and

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From what I see, all of the kids except one is blond. But I agree that this image would be a poor lead image. Best to just focus on one person for the lead image, or at least have all the kids be blond. We don't need the lead image to look like a comparison of blond and brown hair. A lead image for

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All discussion and argument came down to aesthetic preference and there were no substantial policy-based arguments. Four editors indicated "C" was their first choice, and one each preferred "A", "F", and "I". Another editor said they were equally fine with either "C" or "A" while yet another editor

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If you compare blond to blonde usage in American English, Blond is used half as often as Blonde. In England it is equal. Search Blond in books on Google and you get both male and female usage. If you search Blonde you get both used. Yes more Blondes are female but plenty are male. Blonde looks more

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This section of the article should mention the fact that the oldest evidence of blond hair anywhere in the world is found in central Asia not Europe, and that Scandinavian hunter gatherers likely inherited their blond hair from steppe populations. The blond hair gene in Europeans originated in the

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and a little girl. I and others didn't see anything sexual when looking at the video, but enough people did (which in turn made others see something sexual by watching the video). But given how the characters are dressed in that video, and that it's an adult male with a little girl, I can see why

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section above, it is the (most recent) long-standing lead image. It is of higher quality when compared to the other real-life images. And when compared to the paintings, I also find it of higher quality. This is because of its photography and that it is a real-life image. If we are going to use a

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Ireland is a predominantly light-haired country! 36% have dark brown and darker hair, 31% have light brown hair, 10% have red hair, 23% have blonde hair mainly of golden shades. This translate that 64% have light hair (non-dark brown/black) is similar to that of Northern Germany. Furthermore more

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have a picture of a male, but there's another way to think about it - if someone's gendered assumption about the descriptor 'a blond' is to imagine a (presumably twenty-something, attractive) woman, wouldn't the image of a bearded man challenge that? I think there's something worthwhile in that.

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While French may have gender English does not. This attempt to add gender when it doesn't exist is sexist. In every usage I have ever seen or heard there has never been a gender distinction. Sure I use blonde and I see blond occasionally but never has the distinction been other than local usage,

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I think any one of them are fine except option H, which contains a couple kids with brunet hair, and only two with blond hair. The kids with brunet hair in that photo don't even have blondish brunet hair, it's just your average brunet color. That's my input! Everything else looks acceptable.

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Aphrodite is sometimes portrayed in Greco-Roman art with blond hair and sometimes with dark hair, but portrayals of her with dark hair are not relevant to this article, because this article is about blond hair, which is why only images of portrayals of her with blond hair are included here.

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I know it must anger you that a minority of ancient Mediterranean people had light hair, but since it is somewhat subjective in some cases to tell the difference between red and blond hair in various ancient works of art, I'm afraid the current examples here are going to stay. You haven't

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I went in and cleared out a whole bunch of images where the blond hair could not easily be seen without clicking on the image to enlarge it. I may remove a few more images in the future because there are still a lot of them, but now the number of images is not too terribly outrageous.

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According to genetic studies, Yamnaya Proto-Indo-European migration to Europe led to Corded Ware culture, where Yamnaya Proto-Indo-Europeans mixed with "Scandinavian hunter-gatherer" women who carried genetic alleles HERC2/OCA2, which causes combination of blue eyes and blond hair."

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I wasn't offering that blog as a source. If you read the blog post, it concerns an excerpt from a paleogenetics study, and the text that I posted was in the study. I am only posting the blogger's commentary here in the talk page to offer context to fellow readers here in the talk

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article. Quite simply, we cannot possibly try to list every famous historical figure who happened to have blond hair. If we tried to do that, this article would be over a million kilobytes long and completely unreadable. I have left some of the others you added. I left

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So the oldest population in the world that was blond was from central Asia, not Scandinavia. It is now generally agreed upon that Scandinavian Hunter Gatheres had blond hair because they had admixture from Eastern Hunter Gatherers or Ancient North Eurasians.

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Consistent with this, we observe that earliest known individual with the derived allele is the ANE individual Afontova Gora 3 which is directly dated to 16130-15749 cal BCE (14710±60 BP, MAMS-27186: a previously unpublished date that we newly report here)."

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I have dug back through the entire history of this article and brought back all the previous lead images since 2007 that have been used for extended periods of time as possible options, in addition to the ones discussed above. Here they all are:

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rules - articles on hair should be on hair, not spend multiple paragraphs on a long and tendentious diatribe about whether modern scholars accept concepts of "race". This is a clear coatrack of one issue into an article about hair color.

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is also clear about this (that WP:Consensus is about rule-based arguments; it's not merely a headcount). That stated, there is more leeway with images. As for "blond," "blonde" is feminine. But this article is not titled "Blonde" or

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because, while I am not convinced that he widely shaped Roman perceptions of blond hair, the famous story about him sprinkling his hair with gold dust does, I think, tell us something about what the Romans thought about blond hair.

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The very fact that the oldest sample of the gene that causes blond hair in Europeans is found in a Central Asian fossil is big news and it should be on the Asia and Europe sections of this article, as it is on the Afontova Gora

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It could be usefully explained that the perception of blondism is affected by the incidence of paler hair found in any population. Someone perceived as being blond in Tunisia might be described as brown-haired in Finland.

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rows of pictures. Over half the article is a photo gallery. I will be clearing out some of the less notable depictions and depictions where the blond hair is not clearly visible or easily discernable to the naked eye.

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Phenotypic analysis shows that Afontova Gora 3 carries the derived rs12821256 allele associated with blond hair color in Europeans, making Afontova Gora 3 the earliest individual known to carry this derived allele.

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A long-standing image in the article, which I proposed as the lead image in an attempt to compromise with NICHOLAS NEEDLEHAM. If chosen, it would be swapped with the current lead image, so both would remain in the

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https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=blond%2Cblonde&year_start=1800&year_end=2000&corpus=17&smoothing=3&share=&direct_url=t1%3B%2Cblond%3B%2Cc0%3B.t1%3B%2Cblonde%3B%2Cc0

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As blond hair tends to turn brunette with age, natural blond hair is rare. Natural blond hair is rare in adulthood, with claims of the world's population ranging from 2% naturally blond to 16 percent.

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In the Child section above, I just told NICHOLAS NEEDLEHAM "do not include any more options in the RfC. The more options there are, the more overwhelmed editors are and less likely they are to vote."

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First of all, the Yamna people are completely irrelevant here. There is new genetic evidence placing blond hair in central Asia prior to the existence of the Yamna people of the European steppe:

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The remainder of the paragraph goes on to list numerous European cultures that revere blonde hair, to the exclusion of the rest of the world. Offers euro-centric point of view as humanity-wide.

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Please change the following sentence: In human culture, blond hair has long been associated with female beauty. Aphrodite, the Greek goddess of love and beauty, was reputed to have blond hair.

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That is way too much etymological information for the first paragraph of the article. The first paragraph is supposed to introduce the reader to what the subject of the article is. It would be

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issued no opinion at all other than an objection to any images of children, which would include "A". On this basis I believe there is a consensus for "C" to be the lead image in this article.

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So this needs more clarification if it is to remain - for instance, that the lower levels of skin pigment tended to reduce the levels of hair pigment as a by-product. Or just leave it out.

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To new proposed content In western culture, blond hair has long been associated with female beauty. Aphrodite, the Greek goddess of love and beauty, was reputed to have blond hair.

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in the article. Indeed, since I'm comparing Wikipedias at the moment, I will also add that the image is used as the lead image or lower in the article at different Wikipedias.

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I have searched and searched and cannot find a single source other than the article cited on this entry that shows up to 16% of the world being naturally blond in adulthood.

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to make the entire first paragraph a detailed explanation of the etymology of the word, especially since we have a whole section on the etymology later in the article. --

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weren't the only peoples who were native to historical Ukraine before the arrival of Poles, Jews, Hungarians, or even Russians (a history which stretches back to the

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Everybody knows that Ancient Egyptians were brown and the Byzantine Greeks were not real white people anyway. Enough with this Nazi horseshit already! Alright?! --

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As a non-white person I can tell you that "Ukrainians are not white" is a comment that is offensive to all white and non-white people, not just Ukrainians.

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sufficiently demonstrated that they are not examples of blond hair. Screaming in all-caps doesn't really change that, it just makes your post look inane.

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The lead image immediately before the current one. Added in the same edit in which Option H was removed. Removed and replaced with current lead image on

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Where it says "From the times of the Russian Tsardom of the 17th century through the Soviet Union rule in the 20th century, many ethnic Russians,

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English Knowledge (XXG) has an unfortunate tendency to turn short, comprehensible and cohesive articles into overly long and complicated ones.

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Why do we have to use any children at all? That seems rather unsavoury, particularly over such a broad subject as this. Incidentally, Option

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Another old lead image. Added to replace Option G in the same edit. Intended to show different shades of blondness. Removed and replaced on

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For the east coast of Britain it's 60%, there are a lot of sources but most revert back to same source which is the 'Blonde Map of Europe'.

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For the poll below, I recommend listing one's top three choices in ranked order, so we know which images generally tend to be favored. --

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I already sympathised with your intention. But, ] requires that we try to refrain from editing other people's comments, unless they are

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Another long-standing image in the article that was moved up as the main image after the Raphael painting was removed. Moved down on

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Now, this is why we think northern Europeans lost most of their skin pigmentation - since that is where we synthesize vitamin D.

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Do you have an academic source for any of this rambling? No? Then why even bring it up on the talk page? For starters, Turkic

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Relation to age - Recent change to show up to 16% natural blond is based on a citation in an article that has not been proven.

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than 80% of Irish have blue or green eyes and 76% have very fair skin types (I/II). They are palest-skinned of all Europeans.

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The new image NICHOLAS NEEDLEHAM has now proposed to replace the current lead image (He originally proposed a different one.)

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within his or her respective culture. Just having blond hair is not enough. So, for instance, you recently added mention of

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I know what I look like. I can easily tell the difference between an ethnic Ukrainian and Russian invaders from the north.

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can you address this issue? you have more knowledge about Buddhist texts. His source is from rather controversial figure

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The Maureen Ryan book is a collection of anecdotes published by a scientific publisher - anecdotes are one form of

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Again, that the only thing you could say to the IP was "that's offensive" is proof that the statement was trolling.

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naturally blonde, but dyed (like many other stars: Marlene Dietrich, Catherine Deneuve, Madonna...). Greetings,--

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to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the

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I know Option C has the votes and it's not actually a bad face. So what is it? Why don't I like that face?

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because the image is of okay (somewhat okay anyway) quality, the man is facing the camera, and is smiling.

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IF YOU WANTED TO "PROVE" YOUR EUROCENTRIST WET DREAM BY CLAIMING ANCIENT GREEKS WERE ALL GINGERS...

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I wasn't trolling. The only white people you see in Ukraine are either Poles or ethnic Russians. --

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Since this article is about blond, I think the map should be removed; light brown counts as brown.

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You act like a monkey looking in the mirror and not recognizing its own reflection. Kys! --

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laziness or America vs England. It is not gender based no matter what is used in France.

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I: 7 (if you count the support as first choice), or 8 if you include the G or I choice

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Nah, I see no sexualization. And Knowledge (XXG) doesn't work on personal opinions or

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for compiling these images and expanding their histories. My !votes are first choice

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grownup to take a picture. But yes I agree we can do better than the current image.

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with the express purpose to avoid using a photograph of a living person. Removed on

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to many pictures of classical sculptures and paintings depicting blonds. There are

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having blond hair. That would be noteworthy information to include in the article

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by an IP user without explanation. It has remained the lead image ever since, but

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effectively resolves the issue of using living people, as, although the figure

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focusing on enforcing rules without nuance when doing so doesn't help the site

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it suggests that its origin is in the Ancient North Eurasian (ANE) population.

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Portrayals of her with both blond and dark hair are included in the article "

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On second thought regarding my second choice, I'm torn between Option G and

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The section on racism and eugenics is long and tendentious - this violates

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the article could be a variation of different kinds of blond hair, though.

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since it is an actual picture (not painting) and the subject is an adult.

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alive, they are unidentifiable, and that is the spirit of the objection.

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The trolling continues, look away, nothing really important to see here

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Restoring the comment just to call it offensive does not help the site

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Please fix this. Blond (male), blonde (female) should be removed.

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Ukrainian people are not white. I just want you to know that.

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