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to move in buffalo. In covid-19 pandemic, It's became more and more. Nowadays, There are 150+ hundred thousand of
Bangladeshi People live in Buffalo and near area's. Most of them has their own house. Also many of them has more than 100 or 50 houses.It's a big community in Buffalo now.And it gradually increasing day by day
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Ledes get tweaked around a lot. Cos they're right there. The 93rd sentence might need attention instead. One year ago the lede started with "Buffalo is the second-largest city in the U.S. state of New York and the seat of Erie County. It is at the eastern end of Lake Erie, at the head of the
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Bangladeshi people started to move Buffalo from NYC because of having a own house in cheap and also buying a house in cash.Bangladeshi American have a dream to have a own house in America.Also NYC rent became more higher than before. Because all of these, Bangladeshi started
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I can't make any sense of the population density statistics, and they're not referenced. My guess is that other values were updated without updating the stats, and they're just computed. The reference given for area leads to a list of counties in New York state, and include information about
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There's plenty to say. We are a cooperative project where we hash things out thru conversation and collegial argument to find the best solutions to disputes. You can read my message above and I also engaged you on your talk page. Make your case for putting "administrative division" at the front. We
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There's been some back-and-forth editing to delete and restore etc etc two different sets of population figures. One starts with 1508 in 1810 and has 278,349 in 2020. The other starts with 68 in 1810 and has 110,000 in 2020. Sound like metro-area vs city limits, but did they really have metro-area
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With this in mind, I will be getting physical books soon mostly for the history section. Now I'm not used to note taking even though I took a research class in college, what advice could you give (if you've worked on a featured article) for effective research? What books are most appropriate, i.e.
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Because I'm not quite getting the point you're trying to make, if anything I should just say "City/Town" to clear up any confusion. and on the first statement again, and as
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Alright. Thanks for responding. Well, I'm not convinced. I've made my points above, and you didn't really address or try to refute them I think. I don't much care about how things in New York are divided up legally, you do I guess, and as I said I'm guessing that is because it's your area of
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the county, turns out). Maybe administrative district = the metro area maybe? In which case its not so big city. If it's not that, it's something else. Well, there's a link I can click which requires me to leave the page before I've even read the first sentence. If I want to know what an
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For now I put it in with "public safety" . Looking at how other mass shootings were organized into their City pages (Dayton, Orlando, Aurora) it is usually included in the section on the history of the city, or in Dayton's case only a brief mention of the event in their crime section.
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The two refs 404 on me so I don't know. Not familiar with this article, maybe someone could sort this out, maybe add a note to the list as to what it is (or another column so as to have both), maybe an internal edit notice, straighten out sources. Just pointing this out.
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Tough call. The first is clear and direct. The second, you have to stop for a split second and think... "Oh that must mean it is near Niagara Falls", which ledes should be as smooth as possible. The second does add a bit of data though, the name of the metro
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talking about "administrative district" that's a whole different thing from "admin division", You also said "I think the bit about 6th largest division is going to just confuse them" who will it confuse? I highly doubt that any reader would get confused.
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Great explanation. I've already finished rewriting everything outside of the history section. I've been actively avoiding tertiary sources because I didn't want them to shape my idea for building the article, but your idea makes more sense.
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