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covers this in detail. In this particular case, news media with a strong tendency to mimic trademarks are doing exactly that, while those with no such habit are not doing it. If the RS are not overwhelmingly consistent in favoring a stylization (e.g. pretty much no one anywhere, ever, calls
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I do accept that this is somewhat promotional, but it is not overly self serving or using puffery language therefore I contest the scarlet letter of this banner. People writing about their experience at events is independent coverage. Much like people repiorting about MudRun/SpartanRace/etc.
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I did a substantial amount of editing of the article since making that comment. I think it has less of an advertisement tone to it now (and I specifically cleaned up the passing mention of someone dying after being hit by a car during one of the company's events).
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