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among critics at the time... most praised the effects. Also, he was a genre movie hater in general, so singling his scornful review out makes it seem as if he had something against this movie specifically and not other sci-fi and horror of the time. It feeds into a popular, misleading narrative of the Burr version to just include only
Crowther's bad faith review when there was a wide range of both positive and negative views of the film even at the time. This inaccurate, revisionist narrative tries to connect the supposed complete sanitization of the Burr cut to the Crowther review as if Crowther would have reviewed the film favorably if it had been released with more of the h-bomb references intact, or unedited with subtitles (he would not have). It's also a nonsensical connection because the whole thesis of Crowther's bad faith review is "it's just another stupid fake monster movie, this time from Japan and inspired by King Kong." Please understand that I'm not advocating for a more "fair" sampling of reviews, just a wider sampling that doesn't give fuel to a flimsy narrative people have been pushing for years. -- Syd
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To answer your question, 1: the only TV debut date I know of is from the Ryfle source. I actually own the book and if I didn't, it's immediately accessible via a scanned digital version. That source, and likely the Kalat book, are the only sources immediately available to check the TV debut dates. 2:
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That's not evidence you provided. Anyone can make a false citation. We need indisputable evidence, a link to the article. Again, you brought up the dispute, so it's your responsibility to provide the link. What's so hard about that? Why the big fuss? The source we used is from the most authoritative
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And the comment above goes to show that you can't believe everything some random person tells you without evidence. A verified source was provided for the KHJ claim. Where's your source? Just saying "source: New York Times" is not enough. Where's the link? Where's the article? We can't alter content
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How did I not provide evidence? The New York Times is on-line...I gave you the date, the time, the page number. Anybody reading this discussion who has access to it can look it up and see for themselves. Boston and
Providence RI also aired Godzilla before KHJ, and that's from the Boston Globe which
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Of course you don't have to believe me...I'm just alerting you to the fact that the book is wrong and thus you're wrong. Ok, I tried putting a link here but I deleted it because it required my personal log-in to the Boston Public
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Which just goes to show you can’t believe everything you read in books. KHJ in Los Angeles aired Godzilla Monday through Friday, King Kong on Saturday, and Godzilla once again on Sunday, July 6-12 1959. At least 5 other markets aired Godzilla before that. The earliest I know of is WOR in New York
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