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Beijing this was the case, However Nanjing, Tianjin, and Xianmen did not have such problems. Shanghai, Qingdao (limited) also had problems.
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That's a way of hiding+encrypting content in html pages, (and finding encrypted+hidden content). That may aid if you want to comunicate with people securely.. But the "firewall" doesn't work like that, it filters the requests not the content (well, sometimes the content), but in that case using other
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I believe that this section uses too much iffy language. I will remove the “according to BBC” and “probably” The former because whomever put that in the article should do a formal citation instead of a vague unverifiable reference, the latter because of it's pure iffyness. Oddly enough I believe that
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The aim isn't to block all access to "bad" information. It is more one of surveillance and control. It is to make access to bad information so difficult and so much hassle that it just isn't worth it for the average user. The not-so-average user (having gone through all this hassle and difficulty)
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about internet censorship in China, but GSP includes security management information system (治安管理信息系统), criminal information system (刑事案件信息系统), exit and entry administration information system (出入境管理信息系统), supervisor information system (监管人员信息系统) and traffic management information system (交通管理信息系统).
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Epochtimes is not exactly western media, its just pure anti-ccp propaganda. I dislike the ccp very much, but have to say that epochtimes is totally unreliable and should not be used as a source for any article at all. I suggest we remove the part about the cost of the project, at least until we have
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Chinese gov't can point to this or that and say for example that Tor is accessible and downloadable, and it works, and so forth. But if
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I can confirm since i am living in china that many website are blocked or hijacked. However it seems that depending on the location your connecting to the internet makes a large difference. In apartments owned or where they pay for the DSL there seems to be much less restrictions. IF the company
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I have resided in China for a few years up until recently and found that there had been no problems accessing either domestic or international sites that were there for the sole purpose of pornography. I am not sure whether this particular point is valid thus. Any objections to classify or remove
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The US shouldn't be doing anything, either fighting Iraq or fighting the
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I know this appears to be silly. However i just go ahaed...would someone from within China be able to provide some screenshots how it looks like if a site is blocked ? (with translation)(oh and perhaps with internet cafe environment in the background ?) Because many people (like me) never seen
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I agree that 'great firewall' and 'golden shield project' are two separate things. The former is used mostly by the western media to refer to internet censorship in China, and the latter is a particular government project. I am creating a 'great firewall' separate page for a class project at
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Why should the US or Britain fight EITHER Chinese Firewalls OR Middle-Eastern "terrorists"? Enjoy the country you live in rather than sending soldiers to kill and be killed in a place you will probably never even go, and may have never even heard of.
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I've already changed the title of this section from "Snail Oil," which I think was a misspelling on the part of the original contributor. However, what are the reasons that these services are "snake oil"? What makes them worse than a regular proxy?
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