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English language. It seems that you're trying to create a concrete definition where none exists, which is no good. As Knowledge (XXG) is supposed to be descriptive, not prescriptive, we just state that these species are known as jackals and leave it at that. But what they are not known as is "wolves". Coyote shouldn't be in the category either. Indeed, to call a coyote a wolf is to invite ridicule. It should be removed from both.
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which I have supported in the past. I have now decided to go with the phylotree in the main body of
Koepfli that locates the Ethiopian wolf inside the phylotree and diverging after the golden jackal. It is based on nuclear markers and the benefit is that we can use the timing provided by Koepfli, therefore the tree has now been amended. (Of interest, in Koepfli's Figure 1 "Phylogenetic Tree Based on Mitochondrial Cytochrome b Sequences" uses a different marker and depicts the Ethiopian wolf and the Coyote as sisters branching from a common maternal ancestor at some time in the past.)
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Denmark. There was also an incident in the spring of 2017, where a Golden Jackal had killed 11 sheeps . It's habitat most definitely also includes most of the EU countries south of Denmark such as Germany, France, Spain, Italy, etc. So the Golden Jackal has a pretty big range nowadays, much bigger than what is reported in this article and the map you're linking.
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look after their young, yet I've only ever heard this behaviour from the
African variety. Does this mean that we should remove all references to "helpers" from the Eurasian golden jackal article? If there are studies confirming that jackals in India or the Middle East also use helpers, then this won't be necessary.
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What struck me is how dated the subspecies assessments are, with the 1951 study being just a checklist. The assessments belong to a different time, when subspecies were treated very differently and the number of specimens and characteristics used to define subspecies was often very small. This was a
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Kretzoi, 1947. T/ws alliens ecsedensis Kretzoi, Ann. Mus. Nat. Hung. 40: 287. Tyukod, Szatmar, Hungary. Proposed to replace hungaricus. 1938. Canis aureus hungaricus Ehik, Ann. Mus. Nat. Hung. ^/ (Zool.) : 1 1. Said to be preoccupied by Canis familiaris hungaricus Margo, 1 89
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That was the name used in the FA copy back in 2017. The term appears twice in the cited Kryštufek, B.; Tvrtković, N. (1990). "Variability and identity of the jackals (Canis aureus) of Dalmatia". Ann. Naturhist. Mus. Wien. 91: 7–25. - however someone has since removed it from the article.
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