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is "still" recognized as a subspecies of golden jackal by MSW3, the so-called authority of classification, in 2005, the problem with this is modern mtDNA studies that confirmed them grey wolves are published on 2011 and 2012. Thirdly, the source for them being golden jackals is
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Moroccan Atlas are actually wolves too. The last vol of the publication
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for some caveats about interpreting the results. You'll got a somewhat more accurate estimate of pages if you enclose exact search terms in quotes when searching Google.
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I do not wish to engage in one with you, and so I have escalated this instead of undoing your most recent unwarranted reversion.
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