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Sorry, I don't quite understand. The pdf is not about "electomagetism". It is exactly about gauge theory, and it demonstrates how - starting from the Schrödinger equation (basic quantum theory) - Gauge theory "magically" produces the electric and magnetic field - which is the core of Gauge theory.
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If we want to make this article more comprehensible, we could add a section starting with a simple introduction; in fact the article titled Gauge Fixing gives a very intuitive but also kind of badly written introduction to this. We could also be like the math pages and define terms like "gauge" (a
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561:) 14:40, 21 June 2020 (UTC) The subject is very difficult, indeed. To help at least physics students with just basic (BS) knowledge to get a grip on it, I added a link into the "external links" section to here:
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