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I'm not really sure about that, though. It seems to me that the article in its current form does not lend itself to excessive reduction. From what I've found, in terms of the development, this is essentially the maximum that can possibly be written, like squeezing blood from a stone. It's all with
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September." The September issue of the magazine covers the handheld and its launch title, Tetris. This leads me to think the Game Boy's actual US release date is sometime in September of 1989. Are
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As far as being factually inaccurate, I take issue with the first paragraph. It makes it sound like the idea for a "handheld system with interchangeable games" came from Yokoi. More recent reporting (Gorges 2019), which I cited, refutes that. It was Okada who advocated for the interchangeable
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