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I started looking at the sourcing, and I've decided to fail the article on sourcing and, to a lesser extent, on being too long and too detailed. I see the previous review also failed the article for lack of sourcing, and that reviewer added some "citation needed" tags, but judging from how you've
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First of all, the decision was based on a simple counting of votes. I do not know what it was like in 2005, but we certainly do not make decisions in this way now. Moreover, the differences are negligible (e.g. for the period 1466 to 1793, it is 10 votes), which clearly indicates that there is no
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So, after finding some interesting information about the origin of Gdańsk's name, I decided to spend 1 hour editing it in the most proper way I could. 90 minutes later, user
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As the greater article reflects, it had been ethnically German not only for a while but for centuries. Even under periods of Polish territorial control. Hitler's pretext for invading Poland was its refusal to return Danzig, so any statements that the city could've been returned without the war is
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I don't see the point of erasing any hypothesis that is not just a modern speculation, but if you do, you can erase the chapter "Origin" in its entirety considering no one knows. At least letting some hypothesis that have a historical source may help some people work on researches because it can
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Yes but there is no scientific consensus here. My source is not an "own research", I didn't speculate on the origin, I'm just citing a source that has no reason to be less or more valuable than another one. Worst, if you take this path, please consult the source for "Other scholars from the 19th
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Hi, I am confused about the Gdansk/Danzig different names and I think it might be useful to clarify this in the article. Specifically, is Danzig a translation of Gdansk or a wholly different name? Was the city officially renamed or do we just use a more accurate translation now?
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What does that mean? "Gdańsk is a city in Poland" would sound much less nationalistic and reflect the fact that Gdańsk/Danzig has a much more diverse history than just being a Polish city (today).
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Details of earlier composition of the city council -- even in a "history of Gdańsk" article this would be too much detail; it belongs in an article about the history of the Gdańsk city council.
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It was German only for a while, and Polish most of the time. It could have been german had they not been stupid and started ww2 along with a massive genocide. Quit being salty and get over it.
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