1366:"In 2016, the company announced that they were never able to update the search engine because they didn't have their own data centre, which in turn limited the results shown": I think this is based on "Although it is ready as a software infrastructure, we do not make up-to-date indexing due to the inadequacy of our data center and the lack of a datacenter of our own, geliyoo.com is open and users can search within the data we indexed for only a few tests." in the source. Suggest "In 2016, the company claimed that their search engine did not perform its own indexing because they did not have sufficient computing resources". It seems obvious nonsense, so the details don't matter, and in particular since they say both "we don't have a data centre" and "we have a data centre but it's too small" I think we should abbreviate.
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817:. Most sources you see in that revision are actually bullshit, sometimes not even confirming the statement they "source". They also tried to remove the whole criticism section a few times before the article was protected. Now they claim that Wiki editors are "participating in the defamation of the company" (in an email, not a legit source or announcement).
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807:" the entire article reads as self-promotion. Begins "Hakan Atabas is the genius" and the rest of the article goes on to attach just about every possible buzz word to their name. My favorite part is "Geliyoo can be classified as a product of NoSQL, JavaScript, BigData, Hadoop, and many basic constructs"
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These are good improvements. Thanks. I also made a pass of some copyedits and I included the sentence above. I've requested a second opinion because I am not experienced with reviewing. Overall, I am not sure if the article currently meets GA. I looked through a few of the sources, I only had time to
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Yes they are. Actually that article gives a 2015 date further down so we could say the change starts then. And I do think we have to change the wording a bit; we don't have a source that says "all future references are to Atabaş, rather than Savaş". How about "From 2015, press coverage of
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The red and white former logo doesn't have a usable source listed on the image page so I went back through archive.org and I can't find any pages using that old logo. What's the evidence this is really their old logo? And I think the arrangement of the letters on the two-tone red background does
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I think the article sources are good. I am concerned about the language used in the article including the lead. It may be too technical (using programmer jargon) to give the average reader a proper understanding of what actually happened. To be specific phrases such as "script is used to keep the
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Native Google: 'geliyoo.com' in automatic flow. The relevant agencies are legally responsible for the news content." Which means this is an unreliable source; we need to remove this.
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A script that is sold on the internet and can be bought by anyone. I'm not sure what the correct word is, or alternatively I might reword the sentence to imply that they bought it.
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Geliyoo'nun Kurucusu ve CEO'su Hakan Atabaş ile Kurucusu ve Ar-Ge'si Fatih Arslan'ın...
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