Knowledge

Talk:Gender neutrality in languages with gendered third-person pronouns

Source 📝

71: 53: 746: 141: 440: 422: 669: 651: 557: 450: 679: 812: 547: 520: 22: 623: 1465: 1571:"Onu" and zaimki.pl also lacks notability, for example, there is no articles about "onu" or zaimki.pl (or even "dukaizmy") in Polish Knowledge, which is telling something by itself. In English Knowledge, in article about "onu", you can also find a template telling reader that it is not meeting Knowledge's general notability guideline. 1594:
neutral". Also, the generic "he", when the referent or antecedent is a mixed-sex group, though it's identical to its masculine use is properly taxonomised as "common gender", not "masculine", similar to how the German articles "der" and "dem" can be masculine or feminine/masculine or neuter respectively, depending on the case.
1597:
Looking further through the page, any entry for any usage that was current before 1960, before which the prescriptionist "gender neutrality" was not a thing, e. g., "one" as a generic pronoun, should be deleted or at the least "gender neutral" replaced with "common gender" or "unmarked for gender".
1593:
First- and second-person English pronouns developed organically, hence, they're properly described as "unmarked for gender", not by the recent prescriptionist phrase, "gender-neutral". "Gender neutral" is clearly not taxonomic/descriptive, otherwise, the pronoun, "you" would be described as "case
1523: 1545:
There is another option for non-binary people who prefer gender-neutral pronouns in Polish language aside from "onu". It's quite similar - it's "ono" which is also used for kids of unknown gender. It's conjugation is: Ono, onego, onemu, ono, onym, onym.
767: 763: 759: 86:
aims to improve the quality of articles dealing with gender studies and to remove systematic gender bias from Knowledge. If you would like to participate in the project, you can choose to edit this article, or visit the
1516: 1424: 1411: 1398: 1384: 1370: 1356: 1341: 1326: 1311: 1296: 1281: 1267: 1250: 1232: 1210: 1192: 1178: 1164: 1149: 1131: 1116: 1101: 1083: 1061: 1040: 1022: 1007: 992: 974: 955: 941: 927: 912: 897: 882: 868: 855: 832: 1575: 214: 317: 1696: 1656: 164: 112: 394: 239: 189: 1691: 358: 118: 1686: 1671: 632: 603: 530: 496: 1568:
I deleted the sentence about "onu" gaining popularity. Zaimki.pl is a website that propagates using pronouns like "onu" so it's biased, therefore lacks NPOV.
1661: 613: 160: 1711: 502: 1574:
It is also worth mentioning, that Krytyka Polityczna (other source) is a far-left magazine and web of institutions/activists of such political option.
1701: 1651: 1676: 707: 579: 207: 1681: 1599: 1637: 1621:. I'm of a mind to impose DMY, since this subject has nothing to do with the US in particular so doesn't seem to have any cause to use MDY. 1607: 1583: 1558: 1535: 472: 88: 78: 58: 232: 1579: 1666: 703: 693: 656: 303: 1632: 1617:
This article is veering all over the place between at least three inconsistent date formats, and needs to be normalized to one, per
570: 525: 221: 463: 427: 268: 780: 1706: 344: 1531: 310: 153: 33: 797: 196: 1603: 285: 776: 1549:
I just thought I'd add this info because I use this set of pronouns myself and I know many people who also do.
299: 182: 1512:
The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for deletion:
1527: 1490: 376: 1554: 1629: 351: 83: 39: 1550: 257: 21: 1498: 330: 324: 578:
on Knowledge. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join
471:
on Knowledge. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join
782: 562: 1497:
Please help fix the broken anchors. You can remove this template after fixing the problems. |
246: 171: 1624: 1477: 778: 745: 295: 279: 455: 365: 702:-related issues on Knowledge. For more information, or to get involved, please visit the 337: 140: 1645: 1508:
A Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for deletion
290: 70: 52: 684: 1618: 575: 668: 650: 556: 449: 439: 421: 674: 552: 445: 382: 1589:
description of English first- and second-person pronouns as "gender-neutral"
1179:
Emergence of gender-neutral pronouns in languages with grammatical gender
468: 1485:
This article links to one or more target anchors that no longer exist.
622: 1268:
Emergence of gendered pronouns in languages without grammatical gender
546: 519: 1150:
Historical, regional, and proposed gender-neutral singular pronouns
1517:
The cult of Hong Kong English - He as a gender-neutral pronoun.jpg
833:
Gender neutrality in languages with gendered third-person pronouns
699: 698:, which tries to ensure comprehensive and factual coverage of all 1165:
Table of standard and non-standard third-person singular pronouns
1459: 806: 783: 739: 15: 621: 574:, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of 467:, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of 1541:
Second option for gender-neutral pronouns in Polish
942:Gender-neutral pronouns in modern standard English 501:This article has not yet received a rating on the 117:This article has not yet received a rating on the 913:Gender distinctions only in third-person pronouns 318:Knowledge requested photographs of gender studies 1522:Participate in the deletion discussion at the 1312:Emergence of gender contrasts via orthography 791:This page has archives. Sections older than 8: 1489:] The anchor (#Summary/Etymology) has been 1697:Theoretical Linguistics Task Force articles 1297:Lack of gender contrasts in spoken language 883:No gender distinctions in personal pronouns 1657:Unknown-importance Gender studies articles 928:Issues concerning gender and pronoun usage 829: 818: 645: 514: 416: 165:Unknown-importance Gender studies articles 148:Here are some tasks awaiting attention: 126: 47: 869:Overview of grammar patterns in languages 395:Gender studies articles needing attention 240:Gender studies articles needing infoboxes 1692:B-Class Theoretical Linguistics articles 1357:Emergence of gendered first-person forms 1342:Emergence of gendered third-person forms 1576:2A02:A313:4348:D580:E9BE:5EF0:A3B1:153A 647: 516: 418: 49: 19: 801:when more than 5 sections are present. 7: 1687:High-importance Linguistics articles 1672:Unknown-importance language articles 568:This article is within the scope of 461:This article is within the scope of 97:Knowledge:WikiProject Gender studies 1662:WikiProject Gender studies articles 100:Template:WikiProject Gender studies 38:It is of interest to the following 716:Knowledge:WikiProject LGBT studies 633:Theoretical Linguistics Task Force 161:Unassessed Gender studies articles 14: 1712:WikiProject LGBT studies articles 795:may be automatically archived by 719:Template:WikiProject LGBT studies 588:Knowledge:WikiProject Linguistics 304:Women's education in Saudi Arabia 1702:WikiProject Linguistics articles 1463: 810: 744: 677: 667: 649: 591:Template:WikiProject Linguistics 555: 545: 518: 448: 438: 420: 139: 69: 51: 20: 1652:B-Class Gender studies articles 1564:"Polish onu gaining popularity" 690:This article is of interest to 608:This article has been rated as 481:Knowledge:WikiProject Languages 1677:WikiProject Languages articles 1536:12:37, 29 September 2022 (UTC) 1008:Reference to males and females 484:Template:WikiProject Languages 1: 1622: 1559:23:19, 20 February 2023 (UTC) 630:This article is supported by 582:and see a list of open tasks. 475:and see a list of open tasks. 1682:B-Class Linguistics articles 1638:06:34, 29 October 2023 (UTC) 1135:as a gender-neutral pronoun 1087:as a gender-neutral pronoun 960:as a gender-neutral pronoun 1728: 614:project's importance scale 503:project's importance scale 119:project's importance scale 79:WikiProject Gender studies 1667:B-Class language articles 1584:23:26, 9 March 2023 (UTC) 975:Antecedents for singular 662: 629: 607: 540: 500: 433: 286:Brannon Masculinity Scale 125: 116: 64: 46: 1608:13:11, 3 June 2023 (UTC) 694:WikiProject LGBT studies 300:Michael Kaufman (author) 76:This article is part of 571:WikiProject Linguistics 531:Theoretical Linguistics 103:Gender studies articles 1491:deleted by other users 798:Lowercase sigmabot III 626: 28:This article is rated 1707:B-Class LGBT articles 1117:For non-human animals 706:or contribute to the 625: 464:WikiProject Languages 215:/Sexuality and gender 91:for more information. 594:Linguistics articles 345:Gender studies stubs 836: 331:History of feminism 1528:Community Tech bot 1385:Specific languages 1102:For human children 898:Grammatical gender 830: 627: 563:Linguistics portal 34:content assessment 1505: 1504: 1480:in most browsers. 1456: 1455: 1451: 1450: 1447: 1446: 993:Speaker variation 831:Section size for 805: 804: 738: 737: 734: 733: 730: 729: 644: 643: 640: 639: 513: 512: 509: 508: 487:language articles 415: 414: 411: 410: 407: 406: 403: 402: 1719: 1636: 1499:Reporting errors 1467: 1466: 1460: 1387: 1359: 1344: 1329: 1314: 1299: 1284: 1256: 1238: 1220: 1198: 1167: 1152: 1137: 1119: 1104: 1089: 1071: 1049: 1028: 1010: 995: 980: 962: 930: 915: 900: 885: 837: 819: 814: 813: 807: 800: 784: 748: 740: 724: 723: 720: 717: 714: 687: 682: 681: 680: 671: 664: 663: 653: 646: 596: 595: 592: 589: 586: 565: 560: 559: 549: 542: 541: 536: 533: 522: 515: 489: 488: 485: 482: 479: 458: 453: 452: 442: 435: 434: 424: 417: 296:Media and gender 208:Deletion sorting 143: 136: 135: 127: 105: 104: 101: 98: 95: 73: 66: 65: 55: 48: 31: 25: 24: 16: 1727: 1726: 1722: 1721: 1720: 1718: 1717: 1716: 1642: 1641: 1615: 1600:185.205.225.132 1591: 1566: 1543: 1524:nomination page 1510: 1501: 1483: 1482: 1481: 1464: 1452: 1412:Further reading 1383: 1355: 1340: 1325: 1310: 1295: 1280: 1249: 1231: 1209: 1191: 1163: 1148: 1130: 1115: 1100: 1082: 1062:Alternation of 1060: 1039: 1021: 1006: 991: 973: 954: 926: 911: 896: 881: 824: 811: 796: 785: 779: 753: 721: 718: 715: 712: 711: 683: 678: 676: 610:High-importance 593: 590: 587: 584: 583: 561: 554: 535:High‑importance 534: 528: 486: 483: 480: 477: 476: 456:Language portal 454: 447: 399: 389:Needs attention 102: 99: 96: 93: 92: 32:on Knowledge's 29: 12: 11: 5: 1725: 1723: 1715: 1714: 1709: 1704: 1699: 1694: 1689: 1684: 1679: 1674: 1669: 1664: 1659: 1654: 1644: 1643: 1614: 1611: 1590: 1587: 1565: 1562: 1542: 1539: 1520: 1519: 1509: 1506: 1503: 1502: 1496: 1495: 1494: 1478:case-sensitive 1472: 1471: 1470: 1468: 1454: 1453: 1449: 1448: 1445: 1444: 1441: 1438: 1434: 1433: 1430: 1427: 1425:External links 1421: 1420: 1417: 1414: 1408: 1407: 1404: 1401: 1395: 1394: 1391: 1388: 1380: 1379: 1376: 1373: 1367: 1366: 1363: 1360: 1352: 1351: 1348: 1345: 1337: 1336: 1333: 1330: 1322: 1321: 1318: 1315: 1307: 1306: 1303: 1300: 1292: 1291: 1288: 1285: 1277: 1276: 1273: 1270: 1264: 1263: 1260: 1257: 1246: 1245: 1242: 1239: 1228: 1227: 1224: 1221: 1206: 1205: 1202: 1199: 1188: 1187: 1184: 1181: 1175: 1174: 1171: 1168: 1160: 1159: 1156: 1153: 1145: 1144: 1141: 1138: 1127: 1126: 1123: 1120: 1112: 1111: 1108: 1105: 1097: 1096: 1093: 1090: 1079: 1078: 1075: 1072: 1057: 1056: 1053: 1050: 1036: 1035: 1032: 1029: 1018: 1017: 1014: 1011: 1003: 1002: 999: 996: 988: 987: 984: 981: 970: 969: 966: 963: 951: 950: 947: 944: 938: 937: 934: 931: 923: 922: 919: 916: 908: 907: 904: 901: 893: 892: 889: 886: 878: 877: 874: 871: 865: 864: 861: 858: 852: 851: 849: 846: 844: 841: 835:(37 sections) 826: 825: 822: 817: 815: 803: 802: 790: 787: 786: 781: 777: 775: 772: 771: 755: 754: 749: 743: 736: 735: 732: 731: 728: 727: 725: 689: 688: 672: 660: 659: 654: 642: 641: 638: 637: 628: 618: 617: 606: 600: 599: 597: 580:the discussion 567: 566: 550: 538: 537: 523: 511: 510: 507: 506: 499: 493: 492: 490: 473:the discussion 460: 459: 443: 431: 430: 425: 413: 412: 409: 408: 405: 404: 401: 400: 398: 397: 385: 372: 361: 347: 333: 320: 306: 275: 264: 253: 242: 228: 217: 203: 192: 190:/Collaboration 178: 167: 147: 145: 144: 132: 131: 123: 122: 115: 109: 108: 106: 94:Gender studies 74: 62: 61: 59:Gender studies 56: 44: 43: 37: 26: 13: 10: 9: 6: 4: 3: 2: 1724: 1713: 1710: 1708: 1705: 1703: 1700: 1698: 1695: 1693: 1690: 1688: 1685: 1683: 1680: 1678: 1675: 1673: 1670: 1668: 1665: 1663: 1660: 1658: 1655: 1653: 1650: 1649: 1647: 1640: 1639: 1634: 1631: 1628: 1627: 1620: 1612: 1610: 1609: 1605: 1601: 1595: 1588: 1586: 1585: 1581: 1577: 1572: 1569: 1563: 1561: 1560: 1556: 1552: 1547: 1540: 1538: 1537: 1533: 1529: 1525: 1518: 1515: 1514: 1513: 1507: 1500: 1492: 1488: 1487: 1486: 1479: 1475: 1469: 1462: 1461: 1458: 1442: 1439: 1436: 1435: 1431: 1428: 1426: 1423: 1422: 1418: 1415: 1413: 1410: 1409: 1405: 1402: 1400: 1397: 1396: 1392: 1389: 1386: 1382: 1381: 1377: 1374: 1372: 1369: 1368: 1364: 1361: 1358: 1354: 1353: 1349: 1346: 1343: 1339: 1338: 1334: 1331: 1328: 1324: 1323: 1319: 1316: 1313: 1309: 1308: 1304: 1301: 1298: 1294: 1293: 1289: 1286: 1283: 1279: 1278: 1274: 1271: 1269: 1266: 1265: 1261: 1258: 1255: 1254: 1248: 1247: 1243: 1240: 1237: 1236: 1230: 1229: 1225: 1222: 1219: 1218: 1214: 1208: 1207: 1203: 1200: 1197: 1196: 1190: 1189: 1185: 1182: 1180: 1177: 1176: 1172: 1169: 1166: 1162: 1161: 1157: 1154: 1151: 1147: 1146: 1142: 1139: 1136: 1134: 1129: 1128: 1124: 1121: 1118: 1114: 1113: 1109: 1106: 1103: 1099: 1098: 1094: 1091: 1088: 1086: 1081: 1080: 1076: 1073: 1070: 1069: 1065: 1059: 1058: 1054: 1051: 1048: 1047: 1043: 1038: 1037: 1033: 1030: 1027: 1026: 1020: 1019: 1015: 1012: 1009: 1005: 1004: 1000: 997: 994: 990: 989: 985: 982: 979: 978: 972: 971: 967: 964: 961: 959: 953: 952: 948: 945: 943: 940: 939: 935: 932: 929: 925: 924: 920: 917: 914: 910: 909: 905: 902: 899: 895: 894: 890: 887: 884: 880: 879: 875: 872: 870: 867: 866: 862: 859: 857: 854: 853: 847: 842: 839: 838: 834: 828: 827: 823:Section sizes 821: 820: 816: 809: 808: 799: 794: 789: 788: 774: 773: 770: 769: 765: 761: 757: 756: 752: 747: 742: 741: 726: 722:LGBT articles 709: 705: 701: 697: 696: 695: 686: 675: 673: 670: 666: 665: 661: 658: 655: 652: 648: 635: 634: 624: 620: 619: 615: 611: 605: 602: 601: 598: 581: 577: 573: 572: 564: 558: 553: 551: 548: 544: 543: 539: 532: 527: 524: 521: 517: 504: 498: 495: 494: 491: 474: 470: 466: 465: 457: 451: 446: 444: 441: 437: 436: 432: 429: 426: 423: 419: 396: 392: 390: 386: 384: 381: 379: 378: 373: 370: 368: 367: 362: 360: 356: 354: 353: 348: 346: 342: 340: 339: 334: 332: 329: 327: 326: 321: 319: 315: 313: 312: 307: 305: 301: 297: 293: 292: 291:Holy Virility 287: 284: 282: 281: 276: 273: 271: 270: 265: 262: 260: 259: 254: 251: 249: 248: 243: 241: 237: 235: 234: 229: 226: 224: 223: 218: 216: 212: 210: 209: 204: 201: 199: 198: 193: 191: 187: 185: 184: 179: 176: 174: 173: 168: 166: 162: 158: 156: 155: 150: 149: 146: 142: 138: 137: 134: 133: 129: 128: 124: 120: 114: 111: 110: 107: 90: 85: 81: 80: 75: 72: 68: 67: 63: 60: 57: 54: 50: 45: 41: 35: 27: 23: 18: 17: 1625: 1616: 1596: 1592: 1573: 1570: 1567: 1548: 1544: 1521: 1511: 1484: 1476:Anchors are 1473: 1457: 1252: 1234: 1216: 1212: 1194: 1132: 1084: 1067: 1063: 1045: 1041: 1024: 976: 957: 840:Section name 792: 758: 750: 713:LGBT studies 704:project page 692: 691: 685:LGBTQ portal 657:LGBT studies 631: 609: 569: 462: 388: 387: 375: 374: 364: 363: 359:/translation 350: 349: 336: 335: 323: 322: 309: 308: 289: 278: 277: 267: 266: 256: 255: 245: 244: 231: 230: 220: 219: 206: 205: 195: 194: 181: 180: 170: 169: 152: 151: 89:project page 77: 40:WikiProjects 1626:SMcCandlish 1619:MOS:DATEVAR 1613:Date format 585:Linguistics 576:linguistics 526:Linguistics 371:edit to see 274:edit to see 263:edit to see 252:edit to see 227:edit to see 202:edit to see 183:Collaborate 177:edit to see 130:To-do list: 84:WikiProject 1646:Categories 1551:I.M.BatCat 1251:Norwegian 708:discussion 383:Riot grrrl 258:Notability 1042:He or she 956:Singular 478:Languages 469:languages 428:Languages 352:Translate 1443:113,965 1371:See also 1327:Japanese 1282:Mandarin 1233:Swedish 1023:Generic 751:Archives 197:Copyedit 82:. This 1493:before. 1440:113,965 1275:13,584 1211:Polish 1193:French 1186:13,367 1173:12,879 1158:10,278 1016:16,507 968:15,399 949:72,995 848:Section 793:90 days 612:on the 280:Orphans 233:Infobox 172:Cleanup 30:B-class 1432:2,038 1365:1,409 1350:2,183 1335:3,651 1320:6,668 1305:3,126 1290:9,857 1262:2,621 1244:5,065 1226:2,892 1204:2,573 1170:12,879 1155:10,278 1110:2,929 1095:5,776 1055:6,803 1034:9,318 1001:5,391 986:3,710 946:11,540 936:2,564 921:1,692 906:2,357 891:2,278 876:8,939 863:2,293 850:total 377:Verify 366:Update 222:Expand 154:Assess 36:scale. 1437:Total 1429:2,038 1399:Notes 1362:1,409 1347:2,183 1317:6,668 1302:3,126 1259:2,621 1241:5,065 1223:2,892 1201:2,573 1107:2,929 1092:2,188 1052:6,803 1046:(s)he 1031:9,318 998:5,391 983:3,710 965:6,298 933:2,564 918:1,692 903:2,357 888:2,278 860:2,293 856:(Top) 845:count 700:LGBTQ 338:Stubs 325:Split 311:Photo 247:Merge 1604:talk 1580:talk 1555:talk 1532:talk 1474:Tip: 1419:236 1393:226 1378:490 1215:and 1143:616 1125:659 1077:346 1066:and 977:they 958:they 843:Byte 604:High 393:see 357:see 343:see 316:see 269:NPOV 238:see 213:see 188:see 163:and 159:see 1635:😼 1526:. — 1416:236 1406:23 1390:226 1375:264 1253:hen 1235:hen 1217:ono 1213:onu 1195:iel 1183:216 1140:616 1133:One 1122:659 1074:346 1064:she 497:??? 113:??? 1648:: 1623:— 1606:) 1582:) 1557:) 1534:) 1403:23 1332:59 1287:63 1272:76 1085:It 1068:he 1044:, 1025:he 1013:40 873:48 766:, 762:, 529:: 302:· 298:· 294:· 288:· 1633:¢ 1630:☏ 1602:( 1578:( 1553:( 1530:( 768:3 764:2 760:1 710:. 636:. 616:. 505:. 391:: 380:: 369:: 355:: 341:: 328:: 314:: 283:: 272:: 261:: 250:: 236:: 225:: 211:: 200:: 186:: 175:: 157:: 121:. 42::

Index


content assessment
WikiProjects
WikiProject icon
Gender studies
WikiProject icon
WikiProject Gender studies
WikiProject
project page
???
project's importance scale

Assess
Unassessed Gender studies articles
Unknown-importance Gender studies articles
Cleanup
Collaborate
/Collaboration
Copyedit
Deletion sorting
/Sexuality and gender
Expand
Infobox
Gender studies articles needing infoboxes
Merge
Notability
NPOV
Orphans
Brannon Masculinity Scale
Holy Virility

Text is available under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License. Additional terms may apply.