Talk:General Motors/Archive 2

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like numbers and other signs only Metalic: and: a project: GENERAL : writing like you see here: you know the meaning of GENERAL : and the other all cars without GENERAL and GMC : GMC: is a discribing you know it from the school and College that is a mistakes : clean the cars: and oe project: GENERAL: and General Motors Company needs a sign like: the car of the year USA: and Sport Cars: i take six Cars you got it from all companies and 65 % + 45 % + 10 % + 85 % every year or 45 % and three from your Car groups look what is available for GMC every year 85 % or three from your groups and from all your groups 65 % : three cars for my wife i will marry here USA : three sport cars: like Hummer H2 Sports Turbo : Turbo Selection TS 13: 13 is for 2013: and this cars no signs and no numbers and three cars like Hummer H2 Sports: like: Corvette to put in the BMW Z4 3.0 i: like and like: Nissan the Sports Car looks like BMW Z4 3.0 i: looks like Corvette Sports: and the Hummer H2 looks like too Corvette and all cars look like an: EAGLE: you can do it like: Scorpion: like Scorpion: the cars and look like the Corvette SPorts all three cars: this are the different projects for my wife and Toyota is doing the Eagle for my wife and this are the first three cars: a lot of Hummer H2 look like a Puzzle that is not available clean the cars: and a Laptop inside and GPS and all modern and Electric, Gas, Sun energy all in three and the cars are to expensive you can the BMW ... for 21.000 Dollars if no sale do it for 18.000 Dollars you have to look what is importent to sale the cars and to in one you can do Gas and electric for 49.000 Dollars if the cars are 68.000 Dollars or 85.000 Dollars two cars you are sale if the cars are 49.000 Dollars five cars five customers you win: 245.000 Dollars by two Cars for 85.000 DOllars=170.000 Dollars you win 245.000-170.000 Dollars 75.000 DOllars you win ?: you have to look not to expensive the cars and the Opel Insignia you can do it for as project 44.000 Dollars to look you can win costomers or not and all Cars : are the Cars expensive the Customers going to other Companies where they can get cheaper Cars: and ask the Customers for their wishes what do they want to give out for a Car do it right: the three projects are for my wife she will be: and look at the Hummer H2 Wheels there are to much hole to the Metalic and Gold around the holes inside and outside too do it right there are only one life: Truck Hummer H2 Sports: as Energy back Porsche: do what you like but do it right: GMC must to away from the Cars that look terrible: General: project: and all Cars new Cars without all discribings and numbers: and a Handy in the Cars and 13 touch screen Pens to write 39 TOuch Screen Pens: that is for you GMC i am here there is so much to do: 65 % or 35 Billon DOllars + 45 % and and and you got it all what to do i am here so much to do in the USA !

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should not be decided between two or three editors at the talk page for General Motors what to term the government(s) of Canada. I doubt the Queen of England was consulted on the GM deal, so my uneducated but rational guess would be that any flowery language that might mention her in connection to such emergency economic actions of the Canadian government is overly formal, primarily ceremonial, and inessential to the point that GM has received the assistance of more than one government. Some things, even if/when true, are simply not relevant to note once you get as far removed from the primary article as we are here. I don't believe we've seen a reference that any reliable source addresses this deal in terms of the Queen, and to extrapolate that Knowledge (XXG) should buck that trend to introduce her here seems against both Knowledge (XXG) policy for sourcing and against common sense. If I am wrong or contrary to the spirit of the truth as can be illustrated by some sort of legitimate source, please take the discussion to a forum wherein those more involved with affairs of state and state terminology may cite and review

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included and thus they have been added front and center with out consideration for the overall flow and quality of the whole article. In addition to the controversy section being a mess, why does the small car section even exist? Why not a truck section or a section talking about the large number of non-personal auto businesses GM has been involved in over the years? I would propose restructuring much of the article. I think all of the controversial material (perhaps including the politics surrounding the 2010 bankruptcy) should be in one section. However, if others have ideas on that I'm very open to discussion there. I think the history section should be chronological and give approximately equal weight to each decade unless there is a notable exception. Are there other auto company articles that people might suggest as a good template for the layout of this article?

2442:. The underlying business — even with all the major changes — was and still is known as General Motors. This isn't some later revival of a defunct make by an unrelated company, it is a continuation of the performing assets of GM. The technicalities of these details are so arcane that they are not helpful to an understanding of what General Motors is or has been. And to say it is of "unknown founding" — U.S. automaker troubles and the fates of GM and Chrysler was one of (admittedly many) major stories of the great recession of 2008-2009; arguably not as much as the recovery of the U.S. automakers is one of the significant stories of 2010-2011. We have a section here on the reorganization and provide a link there to 4367:

controversy section). Once is certainly enough. Other issues seem questionable in terms of a larger picture of GM. These include the seat heater lawsuit, and the lawsuit of the employee who was a quality inspector. I think labor and GM could be a whole article if not several so I do think GM and labor relations are a big topic but I think the one included example is weak when we look at the history of GM. I think GM had some Ford like labor violence in the pre-WW2 days. That certainly seems more significant than a strike in South America that doesn't even match the importance of the 1998 strike.

1125:. I then clicked on your second link, by and about the CIDC, to find the Crown not mentioned until the third page. Relevant to Canada or the CIDC, I'll grant you it is a tertiary point they remember to add after getting the introductory stuff out of the way. For the mention in this article, we're just going for the introductory stuff. There is no practical significance to introducing the concept of the crown at such an article. It's an abstract and purely academic concept with no illumination on issues not directly examining the Canadian system of government. 2694:, or "The Old GM" as it is commonly referred to in the media. I came to the GM page specifically looking for a casual link to MLC, having forgotten the exact name of it and wanting more info. I know we want to keep things tidy here, but in the short "Chapter 11 reorganization" (Bankruptcy) section should at least mention the "Old GM" assets, and provide a w-link to it. In fact, I wonder if some sort of "also" or "not to be confused with" template is needed at the top, and then a link at the "see also" section at the end. Being somewhat 2742:

discussing GM's finances, why not include a slightly bigger picture (without detailing the entire buyout, Chapter 11 reorganization, etc., as there is a separate article for that) including years leading up to the company's bankruptcy? Alternatively, why even include this section if there is an entire article on the Chapter 11 reorganization? Ultimately, I believe the best solution would be to expand this section to include a detailed history of GM's financial results and relocate it to the History of General Motors article.

31: 3228:== Pollution and Hydrogen "initiative" == GM is not only one of the world's worst polluter, but also one of the most engaged company in buying patents and supressing technological development. That's because this company is owned by the oil people. Now they even ripped off the US government. You see? (And I won't ask the responsible people if they are proud of it, because they're psychopaths). - 4707:, your recent citation tag edits might be mistaken. I think you should take another look at the USA Today article. The $ 10.5 and $ 1.5B are both in the article. The $ 12B is just a summation of the two. As I think the whole section goes into a bit too much detail (as I've explained above) I would be OK with striking much of that section but it looks like the reference is sound. 2423:

its name, NGMCO changed its name to General Motors LLC. It is this company, originally founded as NGMCO, which is the predecessor to todays GM. The companies it bought assets of, GM included but not exclusively, does not mean it takes their founding dates. The founding date of this NGMCO Inc. should be ascertained, and placed along side the 1908 number in the InfoBox.

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this is a quote from a speech President Barack Obama gave concerning the General Motors reorganization. It is a totally subjective and opinionated statement, and its source (Dept. of Energy website) makes no effort disguise it as anything other than that, so I am inclined to believe that the editor blatantly attempted to pass it off as a "fact."

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the main General Motors article, and the company's criticisms on another arguably less-prominent article. Again, I feel a logical solution for this would be to either relocate the Environmental Initiatives section to the History of General Motors article, or conversely, relocate the Criticisms section to the General Motors article.

2308:. That paragraph represents a few months in a 102-year history, and gives no context relative to, for example, the global recession, or the government favors received therein (or for that matter throughout the past many decades) by other automakers here and abroad. (I am not the editor who removed the section.) 1389:. (Or is this phenomenon perhaps more common than I think? Any refs for other instances of such?) I'm uncomfortable about making this edit if I'm incorrect, so I'm going to revert my deletion, but consider this to remain an open question at this page for someone else interested or familiar to weigh in on. 4161:

expanded). It could cover all of the great periods (i.e. 1908-2007) and create a sub-section for each: the early years, WWII and the roaring 20s, the 30s and early 40s (depression and WWII), postwar heyday (late 40s, 50's, 60s, early 70s), then years (energy crisis, downsizing, decline in popularity

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regarding the pension transfer. Even cases of clear vandalism deserve at least an edit note. After looking at the edit, I would say that it might not have been in the totally proper place (I would have put it under Chapter11,) and that the sources could be better (I found many, WSJ, Fortune, the wire

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You're right that it would be nice if it were worded more clearly for all of us non-marketing and non-advertising types. I'm confident that what they mean is that GM no longer wants people to think of the divisional brands (Cadillac, Buick, Chevrolet, et al) as "subsets of GM" on the surface of their

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To keep this article accurate, General Motors Corporation, founded in 1908, changed its name to Motors Liquidation Company, and still exists. This company is the subject of this article. Another company of unknown founding, NGMCO Incorporated, purchased its assets in July 2009. After GM Corp. changed

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Yes, the term has a specific meaning in law; it's defined by the constitution (just one of the sources available, Vossanova). But, in casual parlance, it has more than one meaning. Anyway, as I said in the edit summary that accompanied my revert of myself, the matter is bigger than just this page and

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Discounting your now defunct account, your "several" is actually a grand total to three people saying "government of ...." is fine, one of whom has never edited this article. I'll reiterate again: "government of ...." has too many meanings in Canada to impart with clarity how GM is owned. If you have

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We do not know the names for Canada and Ontario that appear on the share certificates, but nationally it is a subsidiary of the CDIC (possibly a numbered corporation, but not the CIDC itself). I would point out that the Queen-in-Council does not own anything, it is the Queen in right of Canada, etc.

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As a legal company, yes the current GM was founded in 2009. However, as an organization the history goes back about 100 years. The article covers back to the founding in the early days of the auto industry so the lead should also cover that period and not focus only on the 2009 and later corporate

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I went to that forum because I was asking the community the best way to reference the government funds. Pertracharn47 is the only recent editor other than me on the talk page. He didn't specifically comment on the question though I can assume he is OK with that text. Since I think it is wrong but

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I found some newer numbers regarding the costs and put those into the article using the basic outline you preserved. The new numbers include the final sale of GMAC stock who's sale resulted in a net gain for the Treasury. The "about" source is not my favorite but they reference a paywall protected

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This article seems like it may have haphazardly evolved over the years as people wanted to add new bits and pieces to the entry. It seems like the article is too focused on recent issues to be a good general article on the company. I suspect people have wanted to make sure recent controversies are

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I agree that the history section is very poor. While the ignition recall might be noteworthy, it shouldn't get more words than say Durant's board room coup in 1916. Really the ignition section should perhaps be moved to the controversy section rather than in one of the earliest sections. However,

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General ! I am here you got it from outside of the USA how to look like the cars outside and inside must be in quality including the colours and look at the Opel Insignia to do like the Cars and the Car Of The Year USA 2013: what i want is no GMC sign on the cars that is a mistake and no discribings

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There is no line between the last and before-last rows of the first table in that section -- at least I can't see it on my PC. But when I edit the article, and then SHOW PREVIEW, then this line is shown. After returning back to normal view, either by SAVE PAGE or CANCEL, that line vanishes again. Do

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The final issue I'll address is the (again, previously brought up) lack of a "Criticisms" section. If an "Environmental Initiatives" section is considered to be fair game for this article, then a general "Criticisms" section should be as well. Instead, we find the pro-GM environmental initiatives on

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How is including Mr. Whitacre's announcement of their money-back guarantee at all relevant to the corporate governance or his stepping down from his position? There are two potential reasons I believe this was included: one is that it was part of the same sentence in the article, and another is that

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in various respects. How hard do you try to minimize or maximize the true, functional commonality of that back end? And, as a separate question, how much do you try to hide that shared-services back end from the customers (e.g., make it large in actuality but small in appearance)? An interesting set

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some accepted ways of adding criticism to an article—generally either weaving it into the text (which requires some effort at writing and revising and referencing, which is more than many editors are willing to do), or concentrating it in a "Criticism" section of the article. The latter is tough to

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advertisement and eliminated substantial content. Reverting to 11:38, 13 November 2010 will destroy all constructive edits from the last two weeks. I personally feel that this is the most expedient way of eliminating the copyright violation and restoring the article. I and others can then proceed

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I have skimmed though not fully read this section and want to point out that we seem to be at about that point where an arcane discussion like this spills over from tangentially relevant to excessively digressive and even disruptive. I hope after two months that both sides would acknowledge that it

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No edit I made said "monarchy"; please be accurate. What I put was "Crown in Right of " or "Queen in Right of ", both of which are alternate expressions for "government of " (as can be proven by reliable sources), only much more exact in their meaning. "Government of " is correct, but only in one of

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We have four options for the infobox, then, as I see it: "The Queen/Crown in Right of Canada", "the government of Canada", "the Canadian Investment Development Corporation", or "7176384 Canada Inc." I'd be happy with anything but "government of Canada", as the term simply has too many definitions to

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You've brought up size and weight issues, yet the change you made does not affect either of these two issues, all it did was use muddled text to speak of the cost of this bankruptcy to taxpayers. I am going to revert back to the original text for this one sentence, which does not affect the size or

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I reduced the length of the bankruptcy section by removing the second paragraph. It seemed like it could be a NPOV section but more importantly since there is a branch article on the subject the bankruptcy should probably be kept to just a single paragraph. Again, I'm not certain this is the best

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Our fine colleagues the regulars at NPOVN ask us to discuss at talk before posting. You posted at NPOVN 11 minutes after your first commented here regarding your concern with the term "taxpayer money." NPOVN asks for a link to a prior attempt to resolve the issue at article talk. Please comment at

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Anyway, I was more concerned with structure than the exact content so if someone things I over cut, I wouldn't argue with added material back so long as we respect structure. I also think the bankruptcy material could be expanded though I'm not sure of the best way to do it. I largely cut it for

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I have changed one line in this article, and I'm not sure if it was due to bias or poor editing, but the sentence under the heading North America in the World Presence section stated that the buyout enabled GM to "continue to build high-quality, safe, and fuel-efficient vehicles," when in reality,

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I realize this has probably been discussed at length, and the many Defenders of the Article had their reasons for rejecting it (as seen above), but I still found it highly disturbing that there was absolutely no direct mention or link whatsoever in this GM article to the formation and spin-off (or

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and others have put it). In other words, what is the optimal brand architecture for such a large corporation? What balance between unitary identity (a central self with subordinate branches) on one hand and a family of strongly independent-seeming brands beneath the parent's umbrella, on the other

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They need to be reverted, and soon. The new article has loads of copyvio material from GM's website. I've never done such a major reversion. Can you help? (I want to keep constructive edits, which I think is a piece-by-piece job. I also want to follow the right procedures since it's potentially

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Hi. The opening paragraph states, "General Motors' largest national market is the People's Republic of China, followed by the United States..." Yet in your graph under market share it clearly lists the US as the largest market in both number of cars (2,981 thousands versus China's 1,095, or more

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Discussion is needed about what do do in this situation. Please contribute! The most recent page I could find that is clearly free of a systematic sequence of copyright violations and major destructive edits is 11:38, 13 November 2010. These edits were responsible for rewriting the article as a

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There is a table showing the number of vehicles sold in each of several countries with the US first and China second. But I think there should also be a table showing the number of vehicles manufactured in each country and the countries should be ranked. This might also be done by brand (Buick,

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As should be clear to you, this was a general question for the community. It came from this article but I wanted to ask it in more general terms and thus considered leaving the GM article entirely out of the question. Since you think I should have asked in a different forum please tell me which

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It should show both for measurements, if I understand your statement correctly. For example, both miles and kilometers should be shown, but miles should be shown first for an American manufacturer (the reverse for a European one.) Is there a specific example of where only meters or kilometers are

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I don't necessarily disagree with this statement, but certainly there were far more reasons for GM's Chapter 11 in 2009 than just failure to obtain Government loans. This simply can't be true. GM needed the loans because it did not have enough cash from operations or adequate capital to sustain

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I used the rollback function because he fell under the "spammer" guidelines, as he had made several similar edits to various other pages where he was trying to insert his own website into various articles, as well as create an article for his website. Rollback doesn't allow for edit notes. I wish

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I understand this has been brought up multiple times in the past, but I cannot seem to find a clear-cut answer as to why this article cannot be tagged as "Neutrality Disputed." I do not edit often (I usually just do grammar/syntax), but I am a well read and intelligent person, and I would like to

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I would support the revert if editors reinsert any subsequent improvements, including those by the editor in question; alternatively, an editor might open the two versions side by side and cut-and-paste those passages and sections from the pre-11/13 version that benefit the article, with edits to

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The article as it existed prior to this editor's work was not necessarily something to be adhered to the letter, but I agree that the work this editor added seems to have been taken from promotional materials and it is inappropriate as it stands. That material is not necessarily inappropriate in

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the purchase by the CDIC or one of its subsidiaries of GM stock. There's the relationship of the monarchy to the ownership of GM. However, maybe it's better to just list the CDIC as an owner in the infobox and go into more detail of the purchase in the article. The corporation's annual report for

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We clearly understand from your previous edits that your preferred coverage of the taxpayer contribution to the bailout is none, and that you prefer to ignore noteworthy reliable sources on the topic of the taxpayer contribution to the bailout. The $ 1.5B is incorrectly described in the article.

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Consumer Reports performed independent tests on the 2014 Chevrolet Cruze, showing that the 1.4 litre engine used the equivalent of 2.4 gallons (9.05 liters) of gas per 62 miles (100 kilometers) in combined city/highway tests, which is one third more than the combined city/highway results that GM

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We will be tagging anything we post on this Talk page with an abbreviated disclaimer announcing the account’s GM and agency affiliation. We will not be making any direct edits to any Knowledge (XXG) page through this or any other account and look forward to discussing any proposed edits with the

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is mostly accurate. So you're right that it's appropriate to mention them in this article. I may try to look over the article and incorporate a mention of each, with link, if it's not there already. Feel free to beat me to it. I can help polish any earnest effort that you make. PS: Check out the

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and a low tolerance for recent edits that aren't quite done perfectly. Watchlisters can lose patience over time, as they recurringly have to remove vandalism, poorly done edits, etc. What happened was that your link addition happened in the wrong place. The "Articles" subhead in the refs section

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A thought on the founding date in the header of the article. It lists 1908 as the founding year. However, the current company that is called "General Motors" was not founded in 1908. The 1908 date should move to "Motors Liquidation Corporation" article and the new GM's founding year should be

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the CDIC representative's election to GM's board (not the point in this article), the Crown is not mentioned in the first paragraph, nor the second or third, but in the fourth. It is an aside, a nonessential point in a Canadian press article about a secondary aspect of the deal, much less this

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Using weasel words to legitimize your point of view isn't appropriate. The Government of Canada encompasses all Crown Corporations and they're dealings. Weasel words to somehow imply that the Queen somehow has anything to do with the partial purchase of GM is both inaccurate and misleading. The

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There is a pageful of GM execs and about a dozen references for them. Some of them don't have a WP article and they're not particularly notable except to GM insiders and car industry watchers. I don't think it's necessary to list so many in an encyclopedia unless they have had a notable (i.e.

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in the bankruptcy section. Remember this is a company that has been around for 100 years. The bankruptcy was clearly a very important event but in the article it is 1/2 of the company's history. That is a weight issue. Remember there is a primary article on both the overall history and the

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The controversy section seems to just dive into one particular issue (Natter) and then bounce into other issues in a haphazard way. I would suggest that controversies be listed in historical order and each as a subheading. For lack of a better place to put it I would also suggest we move the

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Thank you again for adding in the updates for the 2014 employee figures. After additional observation, we noticed some of our Corporate Officers under the Corporate Governance section are out of date. Below I have include some proposed content to update this section with the correct Officers.

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I have spent my whole professional life in that trade and worked on branding strategies for a - cough - very large German manufacturer. I had to read that sentence three times until I thought I would have a feeling of what the sentence possibly may want to say. And I am quite familiar with the

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general (for example, the "environmental principles" are not unlike noting or quoting a politician's campaign platform, both a statement of intent and a gauge to see how closely they comply with their own ideals), but it would need to be placed into that context, and cited, and properly styled.

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What the infobox says has been falsely represented here; it does not say "Monarchy of Canada/Ontario", it says "Crown in Right of Canada/Ontario", the latter being the term used specifically to distinguish the monarch's legal persona from her personal one. As the Crown-in-Council is the actual

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article should be the standard since the majority of the funds for GM came from that program. That article refers to the funds in various ways including disbursements from the government. The article does not refer to the program funds as "taxpayer's". Again, that would be the most neutral

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OK, I tried to fix this up a bit. I didn't do much editing of the text but I cut quite a bit. It isn't my intent to white wash anything in this section. Some stuff was cut because it was redundant. The ignition recall was mentioned three times (once in the history section and twice in the

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Another issue under the same Corporate Governance heading is the Financial Results section. Quite conveniently, the only results discussed are those from the years following GM's government buyout, starting with the first year they saw an upturn in vehicle sales. If there is to be a section

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I have little input it made sense to ask others. WP doesn't say that just because a source uses non-neutral language we should also. Why is "taxpayer money", better than "government funded" or "federally funded". Do you think that "taxpayer money" does not carry a negative connotation?

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profound) effect on the company. Usually just the CEO and maybe CFO, president, and COB in the infobox suffices. The founder and anyone else can go in the history or relevant sections based on their major contributions. A link to the company website should be adequate for other mgmt.

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jargon. Basically it comes down to buying a Chevrolet knowing that is a GM product and buying a Chevrolet knowing that it is a Chevrolet. The sentence needs to go. I'd even kill it in a branding strategy. What's worse, GM is not even mentioned in the reference. Smells like linkspam.

2062:"General Motors Co. sold more vehicles in China than it did in the U.S. last year , ‘This is the wave of the future,’ said George Magliano, an economist at IHS Automotive. 'The Chinese market is going to grow faster than the U.S., and it will continue to be this way.' " 4740:. If you owned stock in General Motors Corporation, you lost almost everything. The present entity, General Motors Company, is a new, smaller entity which bought some, but not all, of the assets of the defunct General Motors Corporation. The article should reflect this. 805:: "In Canadian English, the word government is used to refer both to the whole set of institutions that collectively govern the country as well as the reigning monarch, or her viceroy, in her current council." So, without resorting to media catch-phrases, which is it? -- 3725:

Thank you both for the suggestions. We see on the General Motors page under the “Controversies” section litres and kilometers are represented, but gallons and miles aren’t. I have included the conversion in the suggested content below as well as a conversion chart for

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Official rankings are declared by OICA, not by a blog or a newspaper. Please DO NOT EDIT this unless new official rankings are announced. This edit reflects rankings announced in early August 2011. I will add a similar section at the other contenders. Thank you.

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That's not in the source being summarized. USA TODAY used the term "taxpayer money" because it is simple and clear and neutral and because the context is assessing the taxpayer position in the bailout, and we can, too. Why is it more neutral to be less clear?

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Hi Garagepunk66, thanks for your observation. While GM has a goal of remaining a collaborator and not an editor of this page, we would like to provide you with some information to help add content to this section. Below are two good resources that detail our

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services.) However, a $ 29 billion transaction definitely is notable. The uncovered pension fund was at the heart of the bankruptcy matter, and it should warrant a bit more reflection. I suggest that the editors restore, improve, and amplify the edit a bit.

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This is my own editorializing, but usually a company's poor performance is due to management performance. Referring to scholarly work on the performance of GM management pre and post bankruptcy would probably be valuable (if such scholarly work exists).

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Do they employ 205,000 people in every major region of the world OR does GM employ 205,000 people and they are in every region of the world? If they do not have 205,000 employees in every major region of the world then the grammar needs to be changed.

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Knowledge (XXG) should reflect what is stated by the vast majority of published media sources, which state government of Canada/Ontario, not monarchy or crown in right. Even if you provide a convincing argument that it should be monarchy, you are not a

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I feel that this article is way too pro GM. There isn't a criticism section for the article? No mention of why bankruptcy happened? I have a feeling that a GM employee has been writing/editing this article in an attempt to entice buyers of cars/stock.

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be so addressed in only tangentially related articles at Knowledge (XXG) that merely mention the name, the talk page for General Motors is not the place to argue for or reach that consensus, something with which I'm pleased to see you already agree.

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consciousness. GM now wants each of those brands to stand alone to a fair extent in the mind of the customer—not that the corporate parent will be a "secret", but just that it won't be mentioned prominently. This makes sense as a correction from the

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editing does happen on Knowledge (XXG), the Wikipedian community generally does a pretty good job of noticing it and reverting it—a better job than one might expect. The person who reverted your recent addition of the 2 wikilinks was most probably

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the article editor felt it necessary to include some advertising in line with something actually relevant. I would very much like to verify the source on this, but conveniently, it comes from a subscriber-only article on the Wall Street Journal.

214:. This has been falsely represented in the infobox. The monarchy of Canada has nothing to do with the governments ownership. It needs to be changed. I have tried but an editor with special interests in the monarchy seems to be reverting it back. 4398:. Certainly the bankruptcy is one of the biggest events in GM history. However, there are 100 years of that history and it seemed the short history section was 50% about the bankruptcy. Also some of the statements were possibly added with a 1384:

a Chevy, or an Olds, and it wasn't (in Canada, at least) a Vauxhall, either, then I guess what was merely a model in the UK may well have been marketed as a brand unto itself in Canada. If so, that distinction should be more clearly made at

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The history section barely discusses the first 100 years (pre-2008) of this most illustrious auto manufacturer--it just glosses over the first hundred years in a couple of brief paragraphs. What a shame! The history section needs to be

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stuff, or even just angrily biased stuff, into an article. (The "See also" sections also get policed against laziness or bias in that respect.) That being said, it's pretty widely accepted (except by apologists or ideologues) that the

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So are you going to change the link or ? Stretching the truth and using weasel words to say the monarchy owns it isn't correct. Even a link to the governments page directly would be more accurate than a link to the monarchy's section.

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While it is pretty clear that GM will finish the year as the world's largest automaker, they year is not over yet. I have fixed the intro and added a "Rankings" section that explains what is going on. Rankings are established

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It doesn't look to me like they ripped the article apart. Yes, they need not removed a large portion of the article without explanation. The best thing to do would be to discuss it with them. The edits can be easily reverted.

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2010. Please note that data in the sales table is of year 2008. Since the current 'GM' is a new company that did not start operating until July 2009, GM has not released sales information by market similar to that of previous

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In the “Asia” section of the page, I noticed the number of GM vehicles sold in China is not current and references figures from 2010. Included below are updated numbers for 2014 from GM and third-party sources below.

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Michael Moore is already noted in a section at the bottom, "Books and films", that links to an article on the film. Do you have any references or a photo for the Disney park rides? This may be more suited for

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Several people have agreed that "Government of" is proper. No one has agreed that "monarchy" is appropriate. Please stop your disruptive edits or you will be reported. Consensus is against your distorted views.

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I find the ordering of the contents, as well as the omission of past controversies, paints a biased picture in favour of General Motors. I assume they have hired staff to monitor this page to avoid bad press.

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Confusing to readers? Are you aware of just how many meanings the term "government of Canada" has in Canada (and equivalent in Ontario)? The government of Canada in its strictest constitutional form - the

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You seem to have redirected them to the monarch section of each article. The redirect needs to go straight to the article, not to the monarch. Once again the monarch has NOTHING to do with the ownership.

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Why is the logo changed? Really! The Square blue logo is still their logo!!! Keep it up there. And the U.S. Government is not the only owner of GM! Change this page back to what it use to look like!!!

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The company that actually owns the shares is 7176384 Canada Inc., owned by the CIDC, which is owned by the Queen, and all is managed by she in her council, which is technically the government of Canada.

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1) Management performance 2) Sales of new vehicles relative to the marketplace 3) Political issues (regulations/lack thereof) 4) Union / labor issues 5) Tax issues 6) International trade / performance

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I noticed that it still uses the blue "GM" logo on this page, but GM has pretty much discontinued that logo, now it is just "General Motors" in white Ariel font. Can you change it to the current logo?

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Piping the link to CDIC would be fine by me; good work on creating that article. Do you know if there is a corresponding entity for the Ontario government? Aside, would you mind putting a hatnote at

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The article currently mis-states the impact of the bankruptcy. It describes General Motors as an ongoing business for a century. In reality, General Motors Corporation ceased to exist in 2011. See

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isn't for cross-references to other Knowledge (XXG) articles that you want to direct readers to (although that's a reasonable assumption if you're new to Knowledge (XXG)); what it's actually for is

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I undid your disabling of automatic archiving. Threads remain 59 days and then archive only once there are more than 6 threads here (meaning this will probably be here for a year or more anyway).

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Sorry, I didn't realize that there was a full article rewrite on the 13th which added so much POV/copyrighted text. It does seem like a IPO plug, in retrospect. Best to revert and start fresh. --

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Sources: GM.com History and Heritage; GM.com 500 Million Thanks (The Facts-Innovations-Milestones PDF on the right side of the page is very helpful); Knowledge (XXG): History of General Motors

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itself. So, it wasn't the lack of loans that led to the bankruptcy; it was the performance of the company. This section should be revised with verified information related to the following:

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has raised concerns about the reason why this may have been done. Does anyone have any suggestions as to how the supposed issue might be addressed, or any objections to removing the tag? -

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were updated but the references weren't changed, and in the meantime, GM reorganized its website. I drastically pared down the list and updated some references for the names that I kept. --

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government in Canada and Ontario, but "government of Canada/Ontario" can mean different things in different contexts, it makes more sense to use the specific rather than non-specific term.

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True the "government" can mean different thing. But the monarch has absolutely NOTHING to do with the ownership. NOTHING. It should direct to the governments articles, not the monarchs.

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stated by external sources—if the 8-K form says "the governments of Canada and Ontario", we shouldn't use our own opinions to link those somewhere else. If you can find somewhere that

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You may be an expert on the subject matter, but we still need published sources to back up your claims, otherwise it's original research. Whether the media is "lazy" or not, we need

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1977-2007), etc. The article could include pictures of famous models from the various eras, including discontinued marques such as Oldsmobile, Pontiac, Saturn, (maybe even mention

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I do not mind if the names on the shareholder register are disclosed in the article, but the article should explain the economic reality - that three governments bailed them out.

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I don't understand how the monarchy is related either. Is it the executive branch that legally owns the GM shares? Might it not be more accurate to follow the example of US and use

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I find it hard to believe that this article is not tagged with disputed neutrality, especially with this being an article on the world's largest automaker and one of the (if not

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Any plans to include this in the article? Based on the level of media coverage received and the high profile congressional and NHSTA investigations this would seem warranted.

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states that the company is owned by the monarchy, then link there by all means, but I really can't see any logical reason to support the non-sourced side in this edit war. -

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believe that I am able to distinguish a neutral article from one that contains obvious bias. This article is written like a letter to a potential GM investor. For example:

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is the section I needed, not weasel. It states that value driven labels should be avoided. The USA Today article uses several term including "Treasury" and "Government".

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This article pertains to GM throughout their history as the original and new company. The founding date should be consistent with the history mentioned in the article. --

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Someone changed the owners of GM to "US Government." The article used to list proper ownership fractions. Does anyone know what the new ownership division is, post-IPO?

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It might be worth one of us bringing up a concern on the talk page for rollbacks. I might do that myself later on tonight since rollbacking has some serious flaws to it.

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Just a small clarification: GM was founded as General Motors Company in 1908, and was incorporated as General Motors Corporation in 1916, post its merger with Chevrolet.

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I wondered about the Ontario equivalent. Going to have to do some digging and keep my fingers crossed. Will add CIDC for now. Hatnote has been added to other article. --

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Is it worth mentioning the rides (such as Test Track) at the DIsney parks that GM have sponsored? For that matter, is it worth mentioning Michael Moore in any way?--

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secured a combined 11.7 per cent interest and preferred shares in a restructured GM Corporation. These positions are being held by a wholly-owned subsidiary of CDIC."

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article on the entire history of the General Motors corporation. In fact, when that article you cite in support of your point covers the aspect of the deal actually

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Could someone clarify the information in the infobox? It is illogical for a company that was founded in 1908 to have a predecessor that existed from 1908 to 2009.

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Saying that the Crowns in right of Canada and Ontario are the owners is overly technical and confusing to readers. We may as well change the US government to the

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text or images borrowed from other web sites or published material; such additions will be deleted. Contributors may use copyrighted publications as a source of

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U.S. sales information upto April 2010: As Saab was sold at the end of Feb., shouldn't the first two months' sales of Saab be considered as part of G.M.'s sales?

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I read today (2-25-10) that GM has decided to discontinue Hummer after negotiations with Sichuan Tengzhong Heavy Industrial Machinery Company Ltd fell apart.

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Looks good, thank you for doing the work. "Wuling" is a brand of cars made by the SAIC-GM-Wuling joint venture, which also makes the Baojun branded cars.

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for how to properly implement limited quotations of copyrighted text. Knowledge (XXG) takes copyright violations very seriously, and persistent violators

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If you see no sources relating to the Queen, then you perhaps should've done more than skim before commenting. There's no Queen of England, by the way. --

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2009 hasn't been published online yet, but I imagine that it will, when available, have more detailed information on the acquisition of GM shares; they

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General Motors is culturally as important in Canada as it is in the U.S. It has plenty of sales and manufacturing in both countries. Perhaps since the

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The term "segment" has a special meaning in the industry. GM calls its business units "segments", I named them "business segments" to avoid confusion.

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Understood. I didn't check his/her other edits. This here looked pertinent, if with the caveats above. I know what you mean about Rollback ... Ja ne!

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You are correct, the US does indeed have the larger market, while the PRC does not. I believe somebody added a citation tag to the PRC market share.--

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Greetings all, Under Section 1.2 regarding Management, the space for Vice Chairman of Global Product Operations currently links to the wiki page for

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I still think that given the 100 years of GM history and the short length of the history section we are putting too much into the bankruptcy numbers

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In the spirit of full transparency, we posted this message to the Talk page as a standalone post to ensure it is seen by as many users as possible.

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for how to do it right, so that it can pass muster quality-wise.) It has sometimes been used as sort of a "lazy man's way" to paste some tinfoil-hat

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The following pertains only to specific sections that have been removed, and does not address the full extent of copyright violation in the article.

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those sections to bring the data up to date and to whittle down some of the POV and overstatement and recentism of the restructuring/loan episode.

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This is all way before my time: if I'm in error in removing it from this list, please correct the Vauxhall Victor article and revert my edit here.

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I'm glad that there is a separate article for the history. I just wish a little more was said here--it is so essential to our understanding of GM.

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Hi all! Citation 29 leads to a different website than the one listed and citation 30 leads to a 404 page. Where are these supposed to actually go?

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I don't know, having just done the edit, now I'm pondering whether you can technically have a model without a brand. For example, it says it was "

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It would be great if someone familiar with this particular variety of jargon could translate it into everyday English for the average reader. --

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get by the quality standards of some Wikipedians, because it has been abused over the years, so they have a low opinion of it in general. (See

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Actually, the legal name of the company is General Motors Company, just like Ford is Ford Motor Company and Chrysler is Chrysler Group LLC. –

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from editing. While we appreciate contributions, we must require all contributors to understand and comply with these policies. Thank you.

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but I am really not in the mood to draw down wrathful lectures about POV, from the "pro-GM" crowd, bless their dedicated and fervent hearts

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Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a

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Look at this: the last treaty (1961) between Canada and the U.S. refers to "The Governments of the United States of America and Canada".

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As others above have asserted, there is no florid Queen-and-Crown phraseology in the direct initial phraseology in reporting of facts

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its muliple senses, and the article (like lazily written mass media) doesn't specify which. I was aiming to remedy that deficiency. --

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article then I would say keep the history really high level and the controversial stuff should simply not be in the history section.

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How did it happen that cars are the only cited GM products? Just making a quick search I found these other GM product vehicles:

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being cited as references in this article, such as academic journal articles, magazine articles, and newspaper articles. There

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My "Queen of England" was a sardonic quip and not an attempt to formally address HRH, who is indeed colloquially known as such.

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That's not actually the way it works. MTLQQ is not General Motors, it is a debt holding company, and its history is found at

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It's true that a liquidation process as begun, but it's also true that the sale process of the brand continues in parallel.

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be clear in such a place that doesn't permit context. In the article body, I suppose all the detail can be explained. --

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ignition topic and the lawsuit, both mentioned in the into history section, to the controversy section. Anyone oppose?

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NPOVN acknowledging the premature notice and directing interested editors to comment here at article talk. Thank you.

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Please also try to refrain from making personal digs at editors; focus on the content, not the contributor. Thanks. --

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bankruptcy so it's not like the information removed doesn't exist in a linked article. Please reply to this message.

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Noticed this page had employment figures from 2012. Updated employment figures for the year 2014 can be found here:

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History section woefully lacking!!!--article needs more pictures of and discussion of classic periods and models

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As recent as April 21, 2010 General Motors Company has revised its logo. For citation visit the following link.

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Subjective opinion about the state of the operations, working to improve , 1st offline, then posted back here.

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and Wiki policies to prove that, as such consensus would surely require some corrective editorial work beyond

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based on the current cited biographies so this section of the entry contains no links to non-existant pages?

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The current name works just fine. Further, the official name of the company is General Motors. Unlike, say

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Someone keeps trying to remove any direct mention of the fact that GM went bankrupt. That's a bit much. --

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Well, that's fine. The word "monarch" isn't mentioned anywhere. Would you prefer if the piped link went to

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article to WikiProject Canada, it is only natural, because they were probably thinking in terms of the

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It shouldn't be removed but neither should it be fully half of the two-paragraph lead, which is both

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I'm going to nominate the article so it can be checked for neutrality, based on my previous comments

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WSJ article. The numbers agreed with the USA Today article I found but USA Today didn't have dates.

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Why General Motors is included in the "WikiProject Canada"? the company is American, not Canadian.

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We hope to become a resource for information and look forward to collaborating with the community.

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it states that a subsidiary of the Canada Development Investment Corporation, a Crown corporation

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General Motors is not called "General Motors Company", it's just "General Motors". Thank you.

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I agree, WHY is this not in this article. This is huge and needs to be added to the article.

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for an example of what has already been done (and what might still be improved). Regards, —

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One or more portions of this article duplicated other source(s). Material was copied from:

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Sorry, I think my above ping may not have gone through. Anyway, I think we have too much

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entity. Bloomberg list the company history as going back to 1897 (the founding of Opel).

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Note that a company can "own" many brands, what matters is what brands it actively uses.

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the purchase by the CDIC of all shares in the subsidiary, 7176384 Canada Inc., and then

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announced financing totalling US$ 9.5 billion in support of GM's restructuring efforts.

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based car manufacturer so I think it should use American English, not British English.

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OK, updated. UzAvtoSanoat red-linked since no WP entry yet (feel free to create one).

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Okay then, as the answer to my question is apparently a yes, I'll make the change. --

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Glad to, and thanks for the added confirmation that it shouldn't have been there. -

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Some documentation for GM's yearly Chinese sales exceeding those in the US in 2010:

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it is duly released under a compatible license. (For more information, please see

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The tagging of the lead section for relevance seems to me to be unjustified, and

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be rewritten, but only if it does not infringe on the copyright of the original

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If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the

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PLEASE NOTE: This account is managed by GM and their agency, FleishmanHillard.

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http://media.gm.com/content/media/us/en/photos.brand_gm.html/GM/EN/Photos/logos

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than double sales in US) and in market share too. What's the big idea, guys?

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some alternate other than "Crown-in-Right-of-....", I'd be happy to hear it. --

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Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a

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http://www.metric-conversions.org/volume/us-liquid-gallons-to-liters-table.htm

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http://www.latimes.com/business/autos/la-fi-autos-gm-20110125,0,5849923.story

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Sources: Metric Conversions - Liters; Metric Conversions - Kilometers

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I would just remove the tag - I don't think it requires a TP discussion.--

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There was a duplicate sentence in there. Tightened up the text a bit. --

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Government gave the loans to GM period. The Queen had zero to do with it.

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The NY Times reported "about 29 percent" government ownership of shares:

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http://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/f12/quietly-gm-changes-its-logo-91176/

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It's Trollhattan plant is laboring, all of it's range is being produced.

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In the future, it's possible that Saab will be a defunct brand. Or not.

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way to cover the material but I think it is better than what we had.

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http://www.metric-conversions.org/length/miles-to-kilometers-table.htm

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did in fact involve collusion to dominate markets, and the content of

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to merge more recent constructive edits with the copyvio-free source.

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a paid lackey of GM, but rather just an individual Wikipedian with a

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Nothing about how the Unions brought down GM? NPOV, yes! Very much!

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is related to the corporation's ownership. Endlessly focusing on the

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that may help answer those questions here or at the Reference Desk.

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notice board. I was curious what phrasing people might suggest.

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Just little stuff, like the two "brands". Thanks right back at ya.

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should Holden and GM Daewoo be mentioned in the third paragraph?

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and using all-caps does nothing to counter the facts I raised. --

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In addition, we also noticed that company president Dan Ammann (

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through Chevy/Olds dealers", yet it doesn't say it was marketed

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If a determination were to be made that the Canadian government

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I asked if it was better to link the CDIC, but got no answer. --

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weight of this section so we should be good from here on out.

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One hour after one comment from one editor you went to NPOVN?

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Article uses metres and kilometres for a US car manufacturer.

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You expressed your opinion but never answered my question. --

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stuff. When's the last time you've heard this company called

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has absolutely nothing to do with the governments ownership.

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Well spotted. It looks like the names of some executives at

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logic. But to answer your question of why someone added the

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article should cover. This one should only have a summary.

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http://www.gm.com/company/corporate-officers/daniel-ammann

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The following assertion is made in the "History" section:

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hosted for a few years sometime in the past dozen or so.

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if you are not the copyright holder of this material, or

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This section doesn't belong here. It should be moved to

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The following names and/or titles could be updated as:

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and quality of cars, especially opel/wauxhall brands

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GM's sales in China overtook its sales in the U.S. in

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This is the present, and Saab is not a defund brand.

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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a

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And these others, GM products until the early 2000s:

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Some information in the last third should go below.

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article need not be. That would be fine in terms of

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Expelling the Canadian Diplomat...wait, that's Dodge

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the Government of Canada and the Ontario government

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