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can be used in most if not all cases as the source for the ships' ultimate fate (though it isn't currently explicitly cited in this way at present). Perhaps someone could look at whether those dates and attack info exist in one of the German books (or another source), or write to
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OK, I've linked the second laid down. About the Stenia Yard: I've done some looking and Stenia seems to be a (German language?) placename in Turkey, so I'm not sure if "Stenia Yard" is actually a real name or if it just means the shipyard in Stenia. In the meantime, I've linked it, too. (If I find
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All in all a good article- it is mainly a few writing style points i have raised. It would be good if you could checkmark or strike-through points as you address them. Please leave any comments or questions here or on my talkpage. I will put the article on hold while you consider the review
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This sentence is the second in a row to start with "She". Is there an alternative? Also, the two uses of "the war" is a little awkward. Perhaps "...survived the war but was ceded to France at its end."
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