Talk:Given name - Knowledge

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entity), if further interest is sought, them comes the cities (smaller entity). In the similar way, Religion or Ethnical association are used. In the above example the travellers will first introduce themselves as Christian or Muslims rather than Catholics or Sunni. Similarly we say she is an artist or a doctor, not Expressionist or Gynaecologist. Same technique is practice in library classification, computers and Internet naming system. This logic could further be exclaimed by biological and zoological classifications. First we express its major identification the individuality e.g. Cat (family) then Cheetah (individual). In short the hierarchy from bigger to smaller entity is well practice and very much intact practice. That means that “Family” first, “individuality” later. That is why, in Asian countries, the name “Muhammad Arif” means Mr Arif belong to family (religion) of Muhammad which represent this universal hierarchical system of importance. By Is'haq, 2006 May 31, London

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indicate that she is female. However, it is important to realize that by and large, everyone does use these birth order names to refer to each, and to call each other constantly throughout the day. "Given" names such as Yanti, may be chosen due to, for example, the influence of popular culture or politics. Balinese do not have "family/surnames." I don't know well about customs in other parts of Indonesia, except to say that the Balinese system is unique to Bali (and the Balinese part of the neighboring island of Lombok). Other parts of Indonesia may also be unique. In West Sumatra, for example, among the Minangkebau people, inheritance and lineage is along matrilinear lines. Be that as it may be, it is common for these people to have only one name, a "given" name.

721:"first name" and "given name" separately. As I was under the impression that these are the same thing, naturally I was quite baffled at the redundancy. If it is correct, IMO the article should at the beginning state that the given name (known also as the first name) is the first forename of a person (Asian ordering doesn't matter here, as they don't call them by position, e.g. 苗字="family name" and 名前="given name" in Japanese, and calling family name the first name under any circumstances would be eccentric use of English to say the least, so there's no confusion unless you deliberately misunderstand). 2091:, nicknames, pet names, diminutives, what have you. (There are problems with each of these terms -- hypocorism is a rare word, pet name is too informal, nickname ignores that that many nicknames are not first names but rather replacements for full personal names (e.g., Ted Williams → The Kid; he is not called "The Kid Williams" or even "Kid Williams" but rather (sometimes) "Ted Williams" and (sometimes) "The Kid" as a nickname completely replacing his personal name), and diminutive ignores the fact that some first names are not shorter than the given name (Bo → Bosse, Robin → Robby, etc.) 2327: 2905:

variant of those. I cannot think of a word that means a "name that a person is called that is one of their personal names but is not the first name". Then again, my specific form of English has no word for the "strip of grass between the road and the sidewalk" (mainly because where I live either doesn't have sidewalks or the sidewalk goes all the way to the road) , but I have learned that other forms have MANY different words for that, so there could be a word that I am not aware of for this phenomenon as well. --

2666:"Birth name", on the other hand, would be used in cases where a person's name changed after birth. In the Anglo-Irish tradition, this would occur in the case of marriage (the surname changes to the husband's surname), adoption, or at the whim of the person who bears the name, once old enough to go through the name-change process. If a name changes after birth, it could be the forename, surname, or both that changes, depending on the circumstances. "Birthname" is definitely not a synonym for "given name". 90: 2886:

article, of thousands more available) that the first in succession of those 2 or more names is not used at all or not used regularly, often by the adult choice of the person given the names as a baby. I have often heard "name of address" or "the name you are addressed by" or "first name used" or "the first name you go by" for that name, but I cannot do more research right now for a source. Obviously, a standard term for it must exist in modern English. --

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and raised in a certain part of Los Angeles where three-fourths of the population is Asian in some way (namely East Asian as Chinese, Vietnamese, and Taiwanese but we have a few Indians and Japanese). As a result, I have seen and heard countless tales of Asia and everything related to it. My high school had quite a large number of kids who just moved from Asia or Europe and couldn't speak English (also colloquially known as

144: 694:. It became popular in English through William the Conqueror, who spoke French, but had, like most Norman nobles, a Germanic name. The modern French form is Guillaume; the modern German form is Wilhelm. One can tell that the French form is derived from Germanic because it starts in "gu"; this letter combination was used in French to imitate the Germanic "w"-sound that French doesn't have (other example: 123: 1152:, who were born in Singapore and Taiwan, respectively. They moved to the United States at a very young age (before kindergarten) and they picked up new names for themselves. Tila was actually Thanh Thien Thi Nguyen, but I'm not sure if the parents advised her to shorten the third word to make an easier name for herself or she actually wanted it to be that way. Kaila Yu is believed to be Yu Liping. 916:

weasel term. If you wanted to make the paragraph work you would have to say that Muslims do not regard Jesus as the Messiah or the Son of God. I believe the name is used in some African countries but it's beside the point. It's entirely normal to remove a piece of information that is probable original research. Did you read this somewhere Jesse, and if so where? or is it speculation? --

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short), and 4th is "Ketut" (often elided to Tut). Pronounce vowels pretty much as you would for Spanish/italian. Balinese names are rendered into Roman script by virtue of the Indonesian language being written so. The spelling to pronunciation relationship is said to be "perfect" because the spelling of words was revised significantly in the 70's and/or 80's (and even more recently).

1383:, or anything he likes, by his friends, fellow workers and family. This is not a nickname, which is often based on ridicule. It also seems different from the concept of a short name, as it may be unrelated to the persons first name. In fact, the persons calling name may be shortened to a short name. Now adays it is customary to abbreviate calling names to the first syllable. 81: 2098:, which had been a redirect to this article, to be a sort of article of it's own... sort of a short article, and yet sort of a disambiguation page... it's a complicated subject to explain, and threading the needle between easily-comprehensible and overly-simplified (or just-plain-wrong) I found difficult here, so if anyone wants to take a look at what I've done at 501:"A given name may be single, in which case it is used in daily life. The alternative is that several names are given, in which case the first of these is used in every day life and others are mostly only seen on official documents and records. The order of names is however no longer as important as it used to be and 'middle names' may be used in every day life" 310:("List of French first names"). Is it a good idea to link to these lists in other languages? I think not. While it might be easier to maintain a single list of names, the lists in the other languages link to etimologies in that language. And besides, these are lists of names used in that country and not lists of names that originate from that country. 992:

in some countries. I can see no reason at all to start listing countries the majority of countries where the name is not taboo other than to clutter a very messy article. By the way, when I originally objected to the paragraph I think it read "the name is not used in Germanic speaking countries... except Spain...", which was quite preposterous. --

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give personal names within the conventional naming system of each. Individual etymologies can be used as clarifying examples, but sparingly, to avoid the meaningless accumulation of lists. I've changed the heading. Hope that's OK and doesn't step on any toes. The whole section should probably be reorganized with subsections by culture.

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person is usually addressed, and an "after name" (Nachname/Familienname, last name/family name). The "call name" can be any of the first names a person has, it need not be the first. Therefore using a German name to explain English and US naming terminology is confusing at best. Please find an English language name as example.

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I doubt that there is any common name, it has only become a problem with the rise of computers. My parents disagreed over which name to call me so Dad registered me with Martin as my second name - Mum just told the nurses that I was Martin! Literally since the day I was born I have been known by my

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It's a given name, in everyday language, that has some relation to the person. Examples I can think of are Hawkeye and Dances With Wolves, as well as Curly and Whitey and Slim. Examples of family names like this include Esposito, Shakespeare, Jette...and, of course, professions like Smith and Baker

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All the article had previously said was that Jesus was not used as a name in Germanic speaking countries. What is extraordinary about the name Jesus is not that it is a biblical name that is used in some countries like Spain, there are lots of those, but that it is a rare case of a name that is taboo

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The first born is Wayan, and if their is a fifth child, he/she is often called Wayan Balik (or Wayan "again"). Of course, Balinese children/people are given other names, including a new "name" after death. For example, a good friend of mine was named Nyoman Yanti. And, as a matter of fact, Yanti does

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Contrary to the lede paragraph, "CHRISTIAN NAME:" was on every government form in my lifetime, and the lifetime of my parents, and grandparents, etc. instead of "FIRST NAME:" so Christian name doesn't just apply to baptismal names, but your baptismal name IS your name, given to you at birth, by your

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I've removed the bit about Spain. After noting that some biblical names are used, an exception - albeit an important one - is really quite a tangent. Noting exceptions to the exception (i.e. Spain) is quite a major tangent. Thinking up an explanation for the exception to the exception is just taking

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characters, except for the name Jesus..."). The Islamic view of Jesus is highly complex. To assert that He is regarded as "just another prophet" is simplistic. I don't believe any Muslims would ever describe any prophet of their religion as "just another prophet". The phrase "just a..." is a classic

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I think this is reading too much into it. Those societies generally place larger categories before smaller categories in general. Dates are year-month-day, places are nation-province/prefecture/whatever-city, etc. So, it only makes sense that the pattern would continue in placing the large entity

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There it's a lot less clear. I'm still gathering data. I believe that many people would say that (for instance) Jimmy Carter's first name is "Jimmy". That's "wrong", but then again we go by usage... if enough people say it, it becomes not-wrong. I'm still looking into sources and examples for this.

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There is a section of the article that talks about NICKNAMES and gives this particular example: "In German the names Johann and Margarete are shortened to Hänsel and Gretel in the famous fairy tale". There is no citation, and it is not the version I heard while learning the language. the -el suffix

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The problem here, and with the example of Johann Sebastian Bach, is that naming conventions differ from culture to culture. For example, German persons do not have a "middle" name. They have one or more "forenames" (Vorname, given name), one of which will be the "call name" (Rufname) with which the

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Though there are significant variations in the four names of Balinese people, mostly due to caste membership, there are precisely four names in Balinese culture that are repeated endlessly 10's of thousands of times. First born is "Wayan" (or Yan, for short), 2nd is "Made," 3rd is "Nyoman" (Man for

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In the case of naming customs from Britain and Ireland, which have heavily influenced the United States, the surname of a child is pre-determined; it's the father's surname. (Obviously, this is custom is not followed in every instance). The forename is chosen by the parents, so it's "given" in the

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This image & caption were removed with the comment "not really helpful" - which I find not really helpful. Seems to me it indeed would be helpful to illustrate the top of the article, about a subject which is not that well known and/or clearly defined to/by many, with a good example of a given

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The example with Johannes Sebastian Bach is stupid. The notion of middle name does not exist in (at least continental) Europe. Johannes Sebastian are two first names or a first name composed of two elements, depending on how you put it, but most certainly no part of the name is a middle name. The

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System: The baby has a given name and when becomes an adult (not as kit because we would have many Batmans) selects it's own. Many Democrats support it also, some though are aware that young adults might select names that might cause problems in the society (like Hitler, f@ggot, xm13#$ etc.) so a

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I have come across "given name" quite a bit in the UK in contexts where it is important to be as inclusive as possible (e.g. application forms for university degree courses), for the reasons outlined in the article. While I agree that it seems to be much less widely used than the other options you

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I've added to the section explaining how we get our names. You can also acquire your name by choosing it. I don't mean as a nickname, but you actually choose what you want to be called and it will appear on everything: school, legal paperwork, driver's license, and all of that. I happen to be born

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Some extremely infrequently used names removed ("Windy", "Timber" and "Rainy", for instance). Also nicknames that weren't clearly used as such. Some of those "feminised" names didn't have an obvious masc equivalent, in other cases a masculine name was never feminised (as in "Victoria" and probably

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In my openion, the significance for collective (familical) over individualism is not a unique phenominon, it is wide spread and well accepted practice. Let us take a case of Geographical Hirerchy. When two travellers meet in a third continent they always introduce themselves by countries (bigger

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By this I mean the (I think exclusively US) practice whereby the combination of given and family names of Person A are a compound given name of Person B. For example, Edward Everett Horton (the actor) received the names of Massachusetts politician Edward Everett. Similarly: William Jennings Bryan

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I mean, I would have left a message on the talk page of that page, but it doesn't let me post anything in the "talk" section. That's all. Um. Sorry to have intruded. And if this wasn't worthy of a new section or something, pray do forgive, I just wanted to bring a little attention to this. Sorry.

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I know that a couple of general examples are given for surnames used as forenames, but I think that it's notable the number of Scottish surnames that are used as boys' names, especially in Scotland. Examples: Allan, Blake, Bryce, Campbell, Dean, Duncan, Fergus, Findlay, Fraser, Forrester, Gordon,

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The subhead "Etymology" is an incorrect use of the word; the section is not about etymology, which pertains to individual words (hence the confused abundance of examples, as the hidden note points out). This section is properly on the "Origin of given names"; i.e., how various cultures create and

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Was using this article for etymological research, and thought I'd try to improve it while I was here; it looked hopelessly neglected, and I didn't suspect there'd be an active discussion page for it... Feel free to revert or further modify, but I'd like the anecdotes to stay there -- they're very

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for discussion. I think it should remain a redirect. It's hard enough for readers to follow all the international complications without having to jump back and forth between two articles. It's also harder for editors to write a coherent explanation when the material is spread among two articles.

495:"The given name may be single, or several names may be given (the latter are known as middle names). In the latter case, one of them, generally the first, is commonly used while the others are mostly used for official records (Order of names is no longer as important).", dude what does that say? 2904:

exist. There are plenty of things that go without simple names. I have a friend whose name is "Michael Jason ". His first name is "Michael", but he is always called "Jason". In a situation where his full name has been introduced, he will then go on to say "Call me Jason" or "I go by Jason" some

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Good. Btw, I am an American and have taught English for over 50 years. It has always been customary in English-speaking countries, in my experience, to give a baby at least two given names (most Americans have a middle initial!), and it is quite common (as in the two examples I gave here in the

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A literal interpretation of "given name" would exclude name changes to a different first name (using the Europe-derived meaning of "first name"). But when the discussion includes East Asian names, we don't have a word for the name(s) that isn't (aren't) a family name, so "given name" has to be

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This page looks like a bit of an orphan in general; if I find the time and my contributions so far aren't savaged too badly, I might try to rewrite/expand the whole thing -- as far as the limits of my knowledge, I don't know very much about Greek or anything about Korean -- in the same style.

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Given names most often derive from the following categories: Occupations, for example George means "farmer" Objects, for example Peter means "rock" and Edgar means "rich spear"; Physical characteristics, for example Calvin means "bald". Names of unknown or disputed etymology, for example

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I can't think of any word or short phrase to convey what you're thinking of, and I'm not surprised. It isn't customary in English-speaking countries (except for royalty and nobility) to give a person a large number of names. So there would be no need for the word or phrase you're looking

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Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but that seems to me to be more of a Cyrillic script than Punjabi. I would like to err on the side of caution and have one of you who knows their stuff to go there to fix it, because I don't know Punjabi, nor if it's Russian proper or another one of the

1807:@Jc3s5h-You couldn't be more painfully wrong on the second part-the templates were already there-click the discuss button on either of them and it will direct you here. I did exactly what needed to be done and hadn't been. You must be unfamiliar with how these things are done.-- 1888:

In most European countries and countries influenced by Europe, the first name and the middle name(s) are given name(s); it's a different story in eastern Asia. But if a person changes any of their names (first, middle, or last) their name is different from their name at birth.

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Oppose. Name at birth in the countries I'm familiar with includes both given name(s) and surname. It would be confusing to make "Name at birth" a redirect to "Given name". Also, you haven't really made a proposal unless the appropriate templates are put in both articles.

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an extremely common given name (or middle name) in Spain and Portugal, like it or not. It may come across as blasphemous to people not used to it, but I also thought it weird when I heard that Jebediah is common in the US -- and I don't go and mention it in this article.

816:"Noelle"). Some of those unisex names are only unisex because they're used so infrequently they haven't become established as the name for one sex. The reduced lists provide a few examples without trying to give a comprehensive list of all the first names in the world. -- 252:

Not all Marias come from the semetic Mr-y-m, which may mean 'bitter', 'rebellious,' or 'desired child' or something else entirely and which gives us the varied forms Mary, Marie, Maria, Marion, Miriam, Mariam, Maryam etc. depending on the specific form's translation

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second name. In the past you just used block capitals or underlined the appropriate name and it was pretty obvious to a human what you were called. Just using a first initial doesn't always work, I get correspondence addressed to me as if an initial were my name!

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Yes. I think you're correct... I don't want to make it difficult to follow, but it should be right... but my article, while logical, is quite possibly wrong. After doing a couple more days research into it. What I've discovered is surprising and counter-intuitive

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The topic you want to address isn't about titles, but the phrase "form of address" is intimately connected to titles. The connection is strong enough that any phrase containing "address" will instantly conjure up titles in a person who's native language is

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FWIW The adjectival form of "first name" used in "On a first-name basis" is also a problem... it very clearly encompasses both given names and hypocorisms... not that noun and adjective forms have to match, but in this case, they're clearly very closely

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On the one hand, many, quite possibly most (though certainly not all), sources either explicitly state that "first name" and "given name" are exactly and precisely identical and interchangeable, or use the terms that way. Almost all

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I guess this is about names that, though distinct when written in Chinese and when spoken with tones, are transliterated too similarly – not exactly that transliteration made a name famous. How would you rephrase this sentence?

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I'm not sure if the best solution is to move some content to an "English given names" article and improve what's left over or to expand the article in its current version, but there's a lot of potential for expansion either way.

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sort of means "little". Using the name Hansel instead of Johann is more like how an American boy might go by Danny or Billy instead of Daniel or William. It is not really 'shortened' as it says, but more an alternate name.

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It's equally confusing the other way around. The article gives the impression that "first name" and "given name" are the same, especially using the really bad side-box example of Johann Sebastian Bach. But take for example

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Jesse, please don't just revert. You restored a paragraph that either didn't make sense or was extremely oddly written ("resulting in a virtually limited repertoire", "And those namesakes, in turn, were often named after

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large minority do not. I'll have a think about a less narrow-minded version. For instance, 'first' and 'middle' is biased one way – 'central' and 'precursory' the other. 'Main' and 'supplementary' is more balanced.

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The name Marius had a feminine form: Maria. Colleen McCullough has a character, named Maria and called Ria, in one of her First Men in Rome series, set in BCE Rome, starting a century before the birth of Christ.

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I agree "call name" is not idiomatic English and should not be used. However, "name of address", while closer, is not idiomatic English; a suitable English phrase might be "form of address" or "addressed as". See

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JREL, I would have been grateful if you had contacted me on my talk page rather than continuing a discussion that ended over a year ago. What I removed was this extremely questionable piece of unsourced research:

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I' Just wanted to see how? & Deferent? kind of back grounds and the history of humanity as it has progressed since humans started to assign" from way back then the names that we have assigned today !!!!!

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scopes are also reflected in our nickname and given name list article categories, where (coincidentally) I've just been told nicknames aren't given names (although the category hierarchy says the opposite).

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I added 'Birthname' as the first alternate name, and it was reverted saying that for women a birth name is a surname. 'Birthname' redirects here. The birth name is the name given to a child at birth - a

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The detailed descriptions of name origins (hebrew, german, latin, greek, etc.) are all for common American/British/Australian names, with no examples of, say, Hebrew names in French-speaking countries

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I restructured the sentence to get rid of the word "shortened". Whenever talking about nicknames, this word should be avoided, because nicknames are not about shortening the name, only changing it.

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I agree. It also implies some kind of correlation between name order and significance, which is not inherent in the western convention either. I'll take that bit out, and see if anyone complains.

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Both versions fall into the trap of conferring some sort of special status on the first forename. True, a majority of those with English-style names have their main forename placed first – but a

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There are too many examples in the etymology section. Personally, I think that the examples should be cut down to the most common boys' and girls' name in for each etymology for the UK and US.

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Yes, I'm going to remove some of the more obscure "object names" and "nicknames" which outnumber the others despite not being particularly common. The examples of nicknames include initials.--

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A better idea would be to have lists of names by origin (eg. Celtic names, Germanic names, Hebrew names, Latin names, etc.) This is already the case on the Polish and Catalan Wikipedias (see

2846:. Have we no proper term for what that name is, so that we can inform readers here of that? I believe it belongs in this article, as long as we can agree on what it's normally termed as. -- 1926:

as "at or near birth", the name at birth scope includes all of given name. The scope of both doesn't include names later in life...e.g. name changes, nicknames. bd2412 has a valid point -

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What is the source for the existence (outside of this article) of the term "call name"? I find none, and am changing the heading to "Name of address" which is a common term for that. --

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Are there any overall rules for translating given names through the different language wikis? I can't really decide, what was better because there are examples either way. For instance

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The nearest word I can think of is "nickname", but that's a short name that's different than any of a person's formal, legally recognized names, and is already covered in the article.

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The article does not make it very clear whether "first name" is defined to always be the same thing as "given name" or not. I recently saw an official U.S. form where one had to give

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I support the proposal. "First name" (singular) already redirects here, and "Given name" is better from the worldwide perspective". A redirect should, of course, be retained. --

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court has to accept the change. This may happen today but as an exception, it's not part of our mainstream culture. How can we people name stars while we don't name ourselves?

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In the UK, I almost never hear the term "given name". "First name" is used predominantly, with "Christian name" a close runner up. Is it worth indicating this in the article?

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Also, if you're Asian and your parents moved to a more developed country and they had you, you'll probably be aware of the fact that they chose their own names. English ones.

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and Cooper and Forester. The word I'm looking for only applies to the first use of that name, though; when it applies to the person it's given to before it's used as a name.

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Though some languages like Chinese and Korean have some information (which I found really interesting), there is little on Japanese (aside from the bit about -ko) or Spanish.

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So to avoid confusion when referring to the species of Homo Sapiens Sapiens (us); the word man (which is an inclusive term for both females and males) should be used.

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There is no mention that it is a regional variant (US or British English). I would suggest on this basis that the "US English" reference in the introduction be removed.

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I noticed a few things when looking through this article, which seems fairly good for common names in the U.S., Australia, and the U.K., but probably not for elsewhere:

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Names are hard to discuss, because there are many customs around the world, and members of one culture are not usually fully aware of the customs of other cultures.

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The practice of placing given name last in these Asian countries has been considered a manifestation of the importance of familial collective over individualism.

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As a result, while the vast majority of Japanese women born before 1980 have names ending in ko, it is relatively rare for the younger generation.

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The term given name refers to the fact that the name is bestowed upon, or given to a child, usually by its parents, at or near the time of birth.

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was a redirect as a synonym, I've changed to redirect with possibilities. Its target is not final, but that's a tangential issue to this merge.

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I was reading it because of wanting to learn about how it was translated in other languages, and found one that didn't fit in with the others.

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Dorn (US Representative from SC). The practice is referenced in the song 'Franklin D Roosevelt Jones', sung by Judy Garland, amongst others.

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On a last note, I believe that this helps the "lack of worldwide perspectives" tag at the top. Even though I don't have references for it.

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name. I will reinstate the image if a more convincing argument is not presented here, to have the article so lacking in illustration. --

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example, it it must be kept, which I doubt, should be changed to a more relevant one (John Fitzgerald Kennedy or something like that).

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of their literal meanings, let alone Mary or Antony because of their uncertain origins! I'd have this section say something like:

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It is very clear that many people do indeed use "first name" and "pet name/nickname/hypocorism" interchangeably. That's a problem.

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And if "Jimmy" isn't "Jimmy" Carter's first name, what is it (besides an affectionate variation of his first name)? It has to be

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Maybe we should create articles on names by origin/etimology (eg. Celtic names, Germanic names, Hebrew names, etc.). See my

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Icelandic names all have a meaning, for example Elín means "The Bright One". They should get a mention somewhere at least!

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to another with different naming conventions, may have their names legally changed accordingly.{{Fact|date=January 2009}}

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As above some are confused as to what this means (though I and others find it clear) perhaps it could be repalced with:

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I have deleted the whole section because it is so inadequate and lacked any citations. I suggest just adding a link to

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to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the

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Thanks. Since the Personal name article lists birthdate in the lead and as a synonym I'll redirect them there.

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not at birth, but when she was created Crown Princess of Sweden in 1810 (here in on her sarcophagus at

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I notice that the current version of the article has a mixture of British and American spelling. Since

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I've noticed that too. Although, I think some of the examples you gave aren't quite right. For example

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section. The structure of these articles is far from ideal, but I'm not prepared to sort it all out.

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I would like to see a list of equivalent given names to the English across languages. A bit like the

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Anyway, to fix this -- and this is important and far from just a theoretical difference -- I edited

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Balinese people, regardless of being male or female recieve one of four names based on birth order.

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As an example, since I'm an elected justice of the peace in a US state, I could be referred to as

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on Knowledge. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join

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There's quite a bit of a mess here. Any suggestions, how to clean it up (if it's even possible)?

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The article mentions Germanic names, if you want to expand upon that then feel free to do so.

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hm, this wording suggests that each person decides how their name is to be transliterated! —

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Kofi means born on a Friday. And indeed 08 April 1938, the day Annann was born, was a Friday.

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lists "birth name" in the lead as a synonym (with the qualifier "in many cultures"). Should

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much in-style for etymology (cf. etymonline.org, or, heck, the works of Tolkien), and that

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The reason for this is to avoid confusion with the Law Society's definition of this word:

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Indeed, the topic of how a person is addressed can, and does, occupy several articles:

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cited, a quick look in the Oxford English dictionary revealed the following entry:

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I'm asking this cause I see some articles where née is being redirected to ] ex.

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there is a link to this article, but not the top of the article, it goes to the

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A natural person is still a person, not a man. Research Mary-Elizabeth: Croft.

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The term 'Christian name' is used as it is a common term in the western world.

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for instance - there is a complete different set of languages available, some (

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It says "before 1980," however if you go back far enough this no longer holds.

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Well yeah. So what about "Bob" and "Dave" and "Sue" and "Judy" and on and on.

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of the article uses British spelling, I will adjust the spelling accordingly.

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I haven't been able to find a term that exclusively refers to this practice.

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I would like to see the word person in this article replaced with the word:

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https://web.archive.org/web/20120410210007/http://www.muslimnamesworld.com/

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Still under research. May have been hasty, Have real-life stuff to do too.

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How is "William" a French form? And what's the German name it's based on?

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I saw what is wrote about Chinese given names, still very short though. --

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and make (or offer) any improvements, I would consider that a kindess...

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Reverted. You didn't supply a reference for the exception, either. Jesus

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It's common in Britain but I've never encountered it in, say, French. —

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Cleaned up a part of the article -- hope I didn't step on any toes...

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were originally personal names that the surnames originated from.--

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To give this a worldwide perspective, I changed sentence to read:

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is used, in recognition of Jesus's status as a prophet in Islam.."

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things too far, especially if that explanation is unreferenced. --

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I proposed a wikiproject for all name articles, check it out here

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Balinese Names; Birth order of 4 and then back again to the top

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I wonder if something similar is present in other countries?

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for additional information. I made the following changes:

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for additional information. I made the following changes:

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