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Hi MikeyLin! Sorry for not providing a longer explanation earlier - normally I would, but things are pretty awful in real life at the moment. Anyway, I didn't really revert because of the mention of Grober, but due to your inclusion of a second person who was subsequently not convicted. In this case
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They were convicted of first-degree aggravated sexual assault, and that is how rape is prosecuted in New Jersey. Also, the convictions for this offense have been upheld in two appeals. (I have added this information to the article (with references).)
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