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Greater Europe mean all of it. Israel is probably included because it counts as European in such contexts as the Eurovision Song Contest or the UEFA football association (the latter includes all parts of the former Soviet Union and is probably closest to what the map shows - but I doubt that's an appropriate definition of Greater Europe). I believe I once saw Berlusconi mentioning it as part of Greater Europe, too. Greenland is probably included due to its strong political ties to Denmark - though I wonder whether then the French overseas departements shouldn't also be a part of Greater Europe. Jordan is also included on the map, and that's just plain wrong by any of the definitions of Greater Europe I've seen.
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There is a phrase in the lead: "with strong political, economic, or cultural links to Europe". The citation of this phrase is about a decision of Coca-Cola from 2000. 1. Does a decision of an arbitrary company qualify as a citation? 2. Does the decision of this arbitrary company prove that there
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While I agree that the map has severe problems, some of it looks accurate. It's not about Europe as a geographical entity, but about this indeed fuzzy concept of
Greater Europe as a socio-political entity. When Yeltsin and Putin speak about Greater Europe, they seem to include Russia - all of it.
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This map shouldn't be renamed, it should be obliterated (being honest). It includes
Kazakhstan, Kyrgystan, and other 'stans'. Is anyone seriously defending that these countries beyond the Ural mountains are a part of any vision of European culture? Since when? Come on ppl, let's be honest
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Russian invasion. France and Spain cooperate rather with Northern Africa, than Russia, so their maps and ideas are different.
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Greater Europe means; perhaps this debate is what the article should be about if the reliable sources talk about the subject but cannot agree on what it is". We are exactly in the same place after 14 years.
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