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361:. I find the concept unsupportable and counter-factual. We are moving into Humpty Dumpty land, by taking a concept ("Europe") and stretching it to mean "Eurasia" as well as the "Mediterranean Basin." I have looked at the current version of the article and see no value in it. And to me, Coca-Cola is not an authority. 460:
but seriously improve with more and credible sources. I really hate the map, IMHO it should be deleted and a better one should be found (along with proper sources). The map includes Jordan and several Asian countries who might be influenced by the wider Western world, but being a part of a 'Greater
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As the IP points out, this term is used, as the sources show. So there is something like that contrary to what the nominator states. If the NY Times, Coca-Cola Inc. or others use it, it does have a meaning and if it does, it can have an article. I think the nominated article and the current article
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is very unclear. Perhaps there are two terms/ideas with this name (Greater Europe): one shown in this article (kind of a fringe idea), and the other one concerning the EU (i.e.:a Greater Europe created by the EU - EU being the proper name for the article). Either way the term seems to exist - the
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The concept does not exist in any authoritative sense. Siberia and the Islamic states formerly part of the USSR have never been thought to be European, Greenland is on the North American tectonic plate, and Israel's only European linkage is participation in the Eurovision Song Contest.
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Quite simply this entity or concept does not exist. All alleged references are not reputable sources. I severely doubt the term is used in any reputable notable publications. Nothing in this article could not be said in the
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which has not gained mainstream recognition or a unified meaning. We could summarize the article as "Greater Europe is a geographical or political entity greater than Europe or the current EU", but it's not a notable term.
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The article when nominated was in shambles. I have since removed the unreliable sources, added reliable ones, and tidied up the page. It is a term I have encountered many times before. Hopefully the page can be saved.
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tried to do), then it is completely wrong; if it is an illustration of Greater Europe, whatever that might be and assuming a map for that should exist, then at least it should be renamed.
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Europe' seems to be quite a stretch. I believe that the article is a bit suspicious but recent improvements seem to indicate that the term exists in some quarters. The argument of
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are specifically about the topic. The nomination's contention that the term is not used in reputable publications is evidently false.
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are not the same and the current article is sourced okay and might only require a cleanup. Alternatively it could be merged into the
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May I point out that the article is vastly different from how it was when it was nominated, so that is not a good enough reason.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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This is a widely debated topic - and useful to a researcher. May want to consider more edits.
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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Israel's only European linkage is participation in the Eurovision Song Contest? Our
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article as a new section and the nominated article made a redirect to point there.
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disagrees there, while Israel has even showed interest in joining the EU
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There are hundreds of books which talk of this and some, such as
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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Knowledge (XXG):Articles for deletion
deletion review
Peripitus
(Talk)
11:41, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
Greater Europe
Greater Europe
edit
talk
history
protect
delete
links
watch
logs
views
delete
View log
Europe
Willy turner
talk
10:16, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
78.146.235.129
talk
10:31, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
Anthony.bradbury

11:07, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
very own article

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