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Ah, that makes sense. We do sometimes run into similar issues when a teacher gives an assignment to expand a
Knowledge article. The problem is that the imperatives of such an assignment are not always in line with our policies and guidelines. In this case, I will draw your attention to our policy on
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British became industrialized due to their genetic superiority, why did industrialization spread to the rest of Europe, North America and eventually most of Asia? The genes of so much of the World's people couldn't possibly change so much over a few generations, so other factors must be
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Western politics from every responsibility for the poverty most people on earth are living (and also doesn't refer in the economic history to events like the oppressive aspects of colonialism), seems to be a reason that not least made its theses attractive to some circles,
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transmission of values and attitudes of industriousness, avarice, temperance, etc. to offspring. It's pretty obvious that such attitudes could spread to other nations (just compare travelers' accounts of
Chinese indolence and sloth to accounts by, say, Thomas Friedman today of their work ethic!).
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seems poorly written. It is difficult to follow. It seems that at least part of the reason it's hard to follow is that it is quoting
Christof Dejung. But if it's quoting him, shouldn't there be quote marks indicating the portion that's quoted and the portion that's paraphrasing? If it's all
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I suspect you didn't read his book. When he speaks of the wealthy, he makes a specific point of excluding the aristocracy and including the more numerous business class; he also tries to empirically demonstrate that they had more offspring surviving to adulthood by analyzing wills of poor and
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The wealthy are less violent? Didn't kings depend on violence for gaining, securing and maintaining their thrones, and didn't lords gain their lands through military service on behalf of the King? Didn't those that were successful in violent confrontations gain wealth while those who were
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Britain, however, as disease continually killed off poorer members of society, their positions in society were taken over by the sons of the wealthy, who were less violent, more literate, and more productive.
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Because of this, I've kept most of the content cited to the New York Times, Explorations in
Economic History, The Economic Journal, and glasgowtimes.co.uk. Whether the content needs to be updated I'll leave to everyone else.
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Anyone who believes Clark's thesis should take a look at the Sunday Times Rich list. Most of the self-made billionaires are foreign born. The Brits aren't even the best at making money in their own country.
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This article presents only a sketchy and not wholly accurate of Clark's intricate argument. It appears to be based mainly on the New York Times article cited.
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unsuccessful lose their lives? It seems that to get to the top level of pre-Industrial
British society, being skilled at violence would be quite helpful.
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