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directly adjacent (presumably because it's providing some benefit to a group of users that are using visual browsers). In general on Knowledge (XXG), the people advocating for compliance with accessibility principles seem to go by the guideline that "something is better than nothing", and so don't spend time trying to force perfect compliance when there's so many tables/templates that aren't parseable at all. As a result, it seems that what we let slide at FLC isn't
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Alright, sorry it has taken me so long but I think that everything has been addressed. Please let me know if I missed anything, I went a bit out of order at times so some of the smaller things may have gotten lost. I personally did think that both quote blocks in the writing section were useful
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Just a quick progress update since GAN's are usually only on hold for seven days: I've fixed most of the issues you've brought up, mostly all I have left to address is some of the technical details like moving the short description, adding alt descriptions, and the first point brought up in the
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That's me! My understanding is that it's fine to use sronly when it's near a heading but not directly adjacent to the heading, because the caption is still there for screen reader software and doing what it's needed to do; that said, the documentation seems pretty explicit that it needs to be
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I've always understood it that if the heading is near the caption (but not necessarily right next to it), the caption can be hidden – but maybe I've been misinterpreting it. I've pinged a user who frequently provides accessibility reviews at
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for accessibility reasons and because it passed FAC like this. As I understand it, the caption does not need to be visually displayed if it is near a heading with a similar name to the episode table, which is the case here – the caption
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Thanks for the update. I have looked over the entire article again and have tagged two sentences in #Broadcast that need citations. After that, send me another message and I will pass the article.
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stated that "True to form, Season 17 features one of the most coronavirus-centric TV plots we've seen since studios started filming again." – that's not a review, that's an observation. Out of
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Because this table does not exist directly below the heading, it was my understanding that the template should not be used. If it is just a misunderstanding and it needs removed, removing
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references section. A new semester started for me Monday (and I'm roughly taking 18 credit hours) so just asking for a few more days while I find time to finish up these comments. Thanks!
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If the table is moved to another location away from the heading, then this template should be removed to allow sighted readers to see the table caption. This is a requirement of
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support. Additionally, even if this is an FA, that doesn't mean it has to remain fixed. If other seasons don't use it – as can clearly be seen at
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what the documentation asks for. So, tl;dr, you "should" have the caption visible, but it's not a big deal either way. --
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example, if the screen reader reads a list of tables in the article to allow navigation directly to a particular table.
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season 17 episodes" is essentially a wordier way of repeating the heading "Episodes". This is what the info pages for
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because they both relate to things that are discussed extensively within the section. Thanks,
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Added sources for both of those, appreciate you taking the time to review this article!
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Hey, I'll be reviewing this article. Expect comments by the end of the week.
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Rotten Tomatoes has three additional reviews that haven't been used yet.
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from the template should be done instead of using {{sronly}}. Thanks,
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I may have misunderstood it, and if so then it can be removed.
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Note: this represents where the article stands relative to the
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Add a comma after "2020–2021 broadcast television season".
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Does "stabbing" need to be linked? It's self-explanatory.
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Also reword the phrase "across very areas" in the lead.
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Thanks for the quick response. Passing the article.
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