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I just added two "sections needing references" templates. The section on the relation to topological cohomology theories just requires a book. The section on the history makes several different claims and probably requires several references. For some of the statements regarding algebraic number
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Could someone (preferably someone more knowledgeable than me!) please rewrite the opening paragraph? As it stands it's not a good intro to the article. For example, "generalization to non-abelian coefficients" makes no sense in a context where no coefficients, abelian or otherwise, have been
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That's not true. Knowing the set of 1-cocycles and the set of 1-coboundaries isn't enough. One needs an equivalence relation on 1-cocycles, and the H^1 is the equiv classes. In the non-abelian case the equiv classes can be of different sizes so you need to know the full equiv reln.
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I just added a sentence saying that the article deals only with finite groups for now (it may be in an awkward place...) It would be good to say something about at least profinite group cohomology, but to do it justice one would have to add quite a bit.
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The relation between central extensions and the second cohomology group are mentioned briefly. Most Knowledge articles, including this one, are incomplete; please feel free to add more material on this subtopic.
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I am even less knowledgeable than you, but I support your request. I believe that a reader who does not already know what group cohomology is, is unlikely to be able to figure it out from the opening paragraph.
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Does anyone know why the last equation of the "cochain complexes" section is so small? As this is where we're defining H^n it should be bigger, if anything. I looked at the code and it seems normal to me.
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But the "n"s on the right side of the equation do not occur on the left, and the "m" on the left side does not occur on the right.
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The article is, however, very confusing in its present form. The definition in terms of the Ext functor seems to produce
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A passing comment from someone with no account: as I write (18th Nov 09) it says, in the non-abelian cohomology section:
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Needs a discussion of restriction, inflation, transfer, corestriction. Needs a section on applications.
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with its more complicated-appearing coboundary formula (which is correct as written though).
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I think the g0 in front of the first term and the g_i in the second term are probably mistakes.
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The character for R in RP^\infty does not display properly. I would suggest a switch to tex.
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The only reference link, Turkelli, Szilágyi, Lukács: Cohomology of Groups, is a broken link.
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Examples (e.g. the cohomology ring of an elementary abelian p-group, with coefficients in
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In the column "Formal construction", is there a "g_n+1" missing in the definition of d^n?
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I'm a professional mathematician and I cold not get anything out of this article.
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Add computations of free products, weibel pg 170, give group cohomology of SL_2(Z)
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The definitions of coboundaries in the Cochain Complexes section are incomplete
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I rewrote the first part of the lead to be more accessible, see if it helps. --
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But this looks a bit ugly. Could somebody formulate this a bit more nicely?
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Re the previous comment: the definition of the coboundary is correct for the
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No mention here of the use of low-dimensional cohomology groups to classify
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is missing. What is it? It would be needed for applying the definitions
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theory, the current references (Serre and Milne) are probably enough.
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I have now added a bit linking homogeneous and inhomogeneous chains
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cochains seen in applications such as projective representations.
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I'd love to rewrite it, but I am not an expert on Ext and Tor.
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I hope someone knowledgeable about this subject can fix this.
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The graded product (cup product, in the topological context)
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Suggestions (I may add these myself if I feel energetic):
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and so on. The description with the explicit formula for
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Add computations of semi-direct products from Totaro -
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universal central extensions and long exact sequences
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Following 752: 630: 606: 404: 1010:The comment(s) below were originally left at 8: 2628:https://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/82201814.pdf 2063: 2050: 1950:{\displaystyle {\tilde {\varphi }}=\varphi } 1763: 1750: 2600: 47: 2775: 2746: 2737: 2736: 2728: 2724: 2723: 2715: 2705: 2704: 2695: 2682: 2676: 2577: 2555: 2539: 2523: 2510: 2504: 2480: 2461: 2448: 2430: 2429: 2417: 2384: 2359: 2349: 2330: 2311: 2298: 2278: 2277: 2271: 2252: 2241: 2219: 2200: 2187: 2169: 2168: 2162: 2140: 2121: 2094: 2083: 2057: 2041: 2035: 2015: 1994: 1988: 1962: 1930: 1929: 1927: 1899: 1874: 1852: 1830: 1808: 1795: 1773: 1757: 1736: 1735: 1733: 1707: 1671: 1645: 1626: 1604: 1571: 1546: 1536: 1517: 1498: 1480: 1461: 1450: 1428: 1409: 1393: 1371: 1352: 1325: 1314: 1283: 1241: 1232: 1211: 1183: 1177: 1141: 1104: 1098: 1074: 1068: 741: 731: 718: 699: 683: 670: 657: 651: 623: 595: 582: 569: 553: 540: 527: 511: 498: 485: 469: 456: 443: 430: 421: 393: 374: 361: 348: 329: 307: 291: 275: 269: 242: 236: 1159:{\displaystyle Z^{n}(G,M)=\ker(d^{n+1})} 750: 628: 604: 402: 49: 19: 2076:. 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