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bonfire night of 5 November. Options could include "Bonfire night in the UK" or "Bonfire night (UK)" – but those might be too specific given that this article includes a section called "In other countries". My preference would be "Bonfire night (Guy Fawkes)", where "Bonfire night" is the common name,
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Current usage is overwhelmingly 'Bonfire Night', and not 'Guy Fawkes Night'. The ramifications of religiously motivated assassination plots in the early 17th century have become increasingly forgotten, and irrelevant, but the bonfire and the fireworks remain relevant. Plus the article badly needs
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as I don't think the common name is clear cut. There are certainly regional differences. Google Trends has "Guy Fawkes Night" tracking as more popular than "Bonfire Night" in the UK. Britannica lists it as Guy Fawkes, as does English Heritage. Away from commonname, there is more to the night than
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Could be mentioned, for the benefit of Western European readers as the Continent (outside Eastern Orthodox Christendom) used the Gregorian calendar. However the date was not moved when Britain joined the Gregorian calendar in 1752, as it continued to be held on 5th November on the new calendar
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1. Guy Fawkes Night, and Guy Fawkes Day is observed in many countries, not just the UK. 2. Guy Fawkes is a very specific bonfire for a very specific purpose. We have other bonfire nights for a purpose, often referred to uniquely, none are referred to as bonfire night, we have Eleventh Night
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I'm saying that I think the proposed name is too vague as it assumes too much that is untrue. Although some people in some locations may use "Bonfire Night" to refer to their Guy Fawkes Night celebrations, that does not mean that the terms are synonymous worldwide. "Guy Fawkes Night" is
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demonstrated significant opposition, and while that was quite some time ago now, it's enough to suggest that a unilateral move is not the way to go. If you do feel that there is strong evidence supporting a change, I'd suggest elaborating on that in a formal move request.
1551:. Contrary to the assertion above, it shows that "Bonfire Night" is a vastly more popular search term than "Guy Fawkes Night" in the UK. Perhaps you compared two different things, search term vs celebration? If so, apples v oranges, which doesn't tell us anything. 1675:"The night of 5 November, on which bonfires are lit to commemorate the anniversary of the Gunpowder Plot of 1605, such celebrations typically also featuring a firework display and, traditionally, the burning of an effigy of Guy Fawkes (or formerly, of the Pope)" 1335:
in the UK. Last time, the suggestion was "Bonfire night" which was rejected as too broad, partly on the basis that around the world there are many nights that could be so called. But in the UK, "bonfire night" means not just any bonfire night but
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Your logic here is mistaken. In order to be understood in the easiest manner and by the widest possible readership the government, in a safety document, must follow common usage. Otherwise they would run the risk of not being understood.
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I notice the word conspiracy in the start of the article. This words strikes me with a different resonance since the pandemic. I notice the article was last edited 3 days ago? But why? It is long history, how can that change?
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Struggling to understand the rationale for your !vote here, as you seem to be suggesting that the proposed title is some sort of 'rebranding' that you find objectional . Do you have evidence to bring that "Bonfire Night" is
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See my post below, for the use of 'Bonfire Night' in a UK government publication. I imagine that the government would follow popular usage in a publication aimed at, amongst other things, public safety.
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been commonly referred to as Bonfire Night, certainly throughout my half-century of life in the UK. It's not some neologism invented relatively recently to avoid offending anyone as with Winterfest. --
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My previous assertion is entirely true, because 'Bonfire Night' and 'Guy Fawkes Night' are entirely interchangeable in British usage. With the proviso that 'Bonfire Night' is more commonly used.
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as overwhelmingly the common name. I have lived in several areas of Britain. Bonfire night has been its common name in all of them. I'm not sure I've ever seen it called Guy Fawkes night.
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the article should move to its common name. A geographical identifier "in the United Kingdom" is required because a previous requested move to merge and overwrite the international page
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I see that is mainly about the UK night with minor mentions of other countries. In fact this article devotes more space to other countries. I would support an undisambiguated move.
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But it is at least some type of evidence. All anyone has presented for 'bonfire night' is that it is "overwhelmingly" the common name. Source: Trust me, bro.
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It would appear that you go against UK government usage, I imagine that trumps Knowledge (XXG) guidelines, which I think you have misapplied here anyway.
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Nobody is "cancelling history". Bonfore night is what we call it in the UK. We don't call it Guy Fawkes night. In any case, that would suggest we were
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article can then include more of the things that are not UK related. Out of interest, the OED lists two meanings for "Bonfire night": a general one
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You’re missing the point— this isn’t about linguistic nationalism but rather the fact that you will not stop saying the same thing over and over!
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website says that "According to Google Trends, it’s most popularly known as ‘Bonfire Night’ rather than ‘Fireworks Night’ or ‘Guy Fawkes Night'."
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bonfires, and some events don't have a bonfire - all bonfires will have Guy Fawkes, but not all Guy Fawkes celebrations will involve a bonfire.
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Since the gunpowder plot was listed on an old-style Julian calendar date, shouldn't a new-style Gregorian date be listed (in brackets) as well?
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I do think it would be worth considering a formal move request once more, as there's no absolutely no doubt that "Bonfire night" is indeed the
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This article has previously been nominated to be moved. Please review the prior discussions if you are considering re-nomination.
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So, you're relying on local convention in your area to dictate commonname, when there's a whole country to take into account?
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and instead there was an article called "Couples Love Day". After name change there will be other follow up edits necessary.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
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I think this is such a big UK celebration that it should have its own article and namespace, so I will request a move to
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from? Because it completely goes against pretty much every RM I've ever taken part in (and that's thousands). --
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Not at all. Referring to Guy Fawkes Night as "Bonfire Night" is like rebranding Christmas as "Winterfest". --
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Bonfire Night in my neck of the woods has no bonfire, just fireworks, but its still called Bonfire Night.
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It is another name for 'Bonfire Night' and one in less common use, that is the whole point of this.
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If we're wanting old terms we could always revert to its orginal name of "Gunpower Treason Day" :)
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after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
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and "(Guy Fawkes)" distinquishes it from other bonfire nights that don't share the same history.
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people say should be moved because yes, that's indeed what we call it, and the current title is
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and I am loathe to move it to yet another confusing “x (in sense y)” title because some people
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The age of the term doesn't excuse it, and it is too vague, which the current name is not. --
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Referring to Guy Fawkes Night as "Bonfire Night" is like rebranding Christmas as "Winterfest".
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I'm going to notice this, for people in the UK its a lot like we didn't have an article on
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But it is a British tradition. Non-British usage is irrelevant to the discussion.
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I wonder when, in which edit, the word conspiracy appeared in the description.
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and unambiguous, the proposed name is not as it requires disambiguation. --
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A rather bizarre comment from an American, given this is an article on a
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considerations. And I think there is little doubt that Bonfire Night is
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the common name. The fact it needs a disambiguator is irrelevant. --
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trumps everything unless it cannot be made unambiguous or there are
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Highly unlikely. Do you have evidence for that assertion, I wonder?
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Indeed it is. And we in the UK call it bonfire night! --
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