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Regarding the interpretation you left on my talk page six months ago, that the thesis needs references, not just raw data. If I understand you, you see that first sentence as advancing a thesis. I think the first sentence of this article should merely sammarize what the referenced sources show --
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Anyway, while I've been transferring info from this page to the other, I've been checking the DoD list that is referenced in this article as well as the articles on
Knowledge (XXG) about these individual detainees and doing cursory Google searches on them. When there is a name discrepancy, I've
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I'm unsure where to place the remaining three detainees as each could actually be already listed on the merge-to list, though the spellings of the names are not the same. I'm guessing that this is due to mistakes in the transliteration of each detainees name, but there is no source material to
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Most people from Arabic speaking countries, or from
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Forgive me, I didn't remember discussing this with you before. I didn't remember having any discussions with you before. You did give me a headsup about applying this tag, and I guess I didn't remember beccaus was very distracted becasye I felt my contributions were being unfairly attacked by
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The article cites the two official lists, that are supposed to list all the
Guantanamo captives. Each of the names listed in this article is there because an authoritative, verifiable source named htem as a Guantanamo captive, but his name is missing from the official lists.
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I figured that this article would most usefully be about captives about whom there was some discrepancy between when the DoD has acknowledged, and what the other verifiable sources disclose -- not about men whose names and locations aren't actually in dispute. But I don't
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I don't see this as a "thesis". The way I see it, that the names in the sources are not on the official list can't really be challenged by any serious person. I don't see the work I put into compliling the list as "research". I see it as simple
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If you are satisfied that the names listed are sufficiently well referenced, perhaps all that would be required, to satisfy your concern, would be a rewrite of that first sentence, or that first paragraph. Do you have any
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was started a serious mistake was made. One of the sources for this list, a list published by the
Washington Post made the mistake of trying to put the names into the English-style naming scheme of surname first.
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I am sure all the work you have performed represents your best efforts. But I would like to ask you to pause, and discuss how this merge should be done, before you carry on.
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I think it may be easier for anyone working on the merge to, as we move the info to it's new home, we delete it on this page so that we don't end up duplicating efforts.
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The way I see it, a novel synthesis of ideas, that would have to cite verifiable, authoritative references, would be if the article tried to offer an explanation as to
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Abdur Rahim - I think it is more likely that this is prisoner 897, Abdul Rahim - the ages seem to match, though the Post source shows that they are 2 different people.
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I'm confident that you're correct in that there is much work to be done on the merge-to page. Let's continue the discussion on how to improve that page there!
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I propose we either remove Gouled Hassan Dourad, or add all sixteen of the men transferred to
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The article doesn't try to explain why the names were missing, so I really don't understand why it needs to cite any additional references.
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Gouled Hassan Dourad is not on either of the official lists -- but that is because he was ansferred to
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