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Ravidasia community or Chamar as commonly known in North India. Now the special title Guru or the more recent Shri Guru Ravidas ji Maharaj, and the proposed new religion is an attempt to reinvent his identity to rival the ten Sikh gurus for whom the title Shri Guru or Maharaj is traditionally used by the most religious folks or more commonly Guru as the title and ji at the end. And also to project the theory that since Ravidasias who are enumerated as hindus in Bist Doab have not formally converted to Sikhism this gives them a reason to assert a separate religio-political identity now that they have attained an equal socio-economic stature at least in the West. Although it is entirely based on them being the same caste as Ravidas as opposed to the Sikh identity that is religious in it's nature and also includes numerous castes and even Chamars in other regions of the state and despite the fact that it(10 gurus+the Adi granth as the last guru) has been the basis of Sikh religious order since the beginning of that faith. More over Ravidas himself never started a faith or religious order hence the titles used for him change by the region and language and even new ones are being added like the latest Guru or Shri Guru in Bist Doab. Therefore it represents only a Punjab or rather Bist Doab centric idea of a new title that does not represent the majority of Ravidasia communtiy in Northern India which far out numbers the more vocal and affluent Bist Doab Ravidasia/Chamar community which has more access to the media and international resources.
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The followers of Shri Guru
Ravidass were warriors Like Baba Sangat Singh Ji (To whom Guru Gobind Singh gave his turban) Baba Jai Singh Ji Khalkatt Baba Bachitter singh ji Baba Mehtaab Singh ji(who killed Massa Rangarh) Modern days Dr BR AMBEDKAR (The Father Indian Constitution) Sahib Shri Kanshi
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There are crores of devotees of Guru
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in India.He should be called a guru because it is a honour. It's correct that a normal person cannot take the honour of being called as a Guru, but Ravidas was not a normal man. He is the root of a very big religion in India. The word Guru is used just to show respect to the pure and divine souls.
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This article has gone a little haywire in many ways. The subheads no longer describe the randomly-scattered facts beneath them. The lede claims, without authority, that Ravidas founded a religion. The use of honorifics is ridiculous (and unsourced) and the change to the form "ravidaSS" is unwise
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Sahib Shri Guru Ravidass was one of the Buddhist known as Boddhisattava His writings are not of religious kind ,he gave the message of equality of the human mankind,. He encouraged his disciples to be the Ruler NOT Slaves, First go and study Shri guru ravidass instead of uploading fake sources
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indicates a sense of respect and a better reference for the readers which can be taken forward, similarly Saints, However i am with you on not adding Satguru or Ji or Maharaj ji inside everywhere in the articles but as a name of the infobox and generally reffered to title we can have "Satguru
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Here the editor is giving false information that Sahib Shri Guru Ravidass was Hindu. But he never ever said he was Hindu. In his holy Amritbani he says everyone is equal, and in those days , the only religion that taught equality was Mainly BUDDHISM in India.
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You can see how Shri Guru Ravidass ji is teaching to achieve the highest state of buddhism i.e. NIRVANA. I have now proved you that he was a Buddhist Now you should also Prove how his holiness was so hindu.... Note here "เจจเจพเจฎเฉ" is the DHAMMA of Lord Buddha
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Sahib Shri Guru Ravidass ji has religious impact on around 25-30. Crore population of The Chamar/Jatav community in India He was our Guru Nobody has the right to interfere the other's religion. These are your myths planted to confuse innocent people
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SHRI GURU RAVIDASS JI MAHARAJ was not from Hindu.Hewas from the Buddhist religion,kindly give reliable information on the Page. Secondly change the Page's name to"""SHRI GURU RAVIDASS"""
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must not, also similarly it will apply to Sikh Gurus and other Gurus. It is not about my Guru or your Guru or anything but how mostly the person or a guru or a sant is reffered to.
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In the link you can find details about guru ravidas. please call them guru because meaning of "guru" is "teacher" someone who enlightens our mind. so please move to guru ravidas.
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Hloo...Listen one another caste which belongs to lower caste (acc to India) (BATWALL-- WORKS WITH DEAD ANIMALS AND THEIR SKIN not CHAMAR caste remember it. thank you....
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Maybe somebody else can rename his guru as "The mighty supreme guru this and that" and this enciclopedy will become ridicolousย ;-) --
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