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I completely disagree - I think our unregistered colleague has it right. Unfortunately, the specific image they added is a particularly terrible one even if the subject of the image is much, much more appropriate. I think it's completely okay for us to not have an image in the infobox at all until we
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Philosophy research degree. This is a âwater is wetâ common knowledge, so we shouldnât choose just one
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If you're referring to the "new" image added by the unregistered editor, my objections are simply to the image quality. I imagine that someone proficient with image editing and restoration could clean up some of that. I also think that it's not ideal to use an image with a watermark (or whatever we
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