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Russian passports?", are you going to be logically consistent and thus then claim all of Western Ukraine is also a "puppet state" of Russia? Because Russian passports have been offered to all of
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I don't know what you're referring to as "ethics or justice" but put quite simply, this is a made up topic. There's not a single source in this article that's actually about "Donetsk People's
Republic–Russia". Any meaningful info is already covered elsewhere. On top of that the purpose of this piece
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Well, I've figured out where the citations about the "Russia invades
Ukraine" sentence came from. Obviously, given that most of the info in this now-deleted section was just background info rather than topical, it had been copy-pasted from various articles surrounding the topic of the DPR that were
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Since you have already reported the matter to the administrator's bulletin board. I think the case is already at a similar stage to the judicial process. So I will not answer this question now, even though I have the information. It will have to wait until after the announcement process. Of course,
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Bear in mind that some of the information in the referendum section was just plain wrong. As I've said in a comment above, the
Donetsk PR actually declared independence several days *before* the so-called "independence" referendum was held. Bear in mind that I personally wouldn't even describe the
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I've just straight-up deleted this section. I was initially trying to rewrite it just a moment ago, but I soon found myself just copy-pasting some sentences from the
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And of course I think this garbage should be removed. No, that is not a reason for me to “excuse” myself from editing it. Now, making WP:FRINGE claims like that DPR is just another country rather than a geographic area invaded by Russia? THAT looks like a pretty good reason for YOU to step back
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Obviously notability, as you still haven’t produced a single source which discusses “Donetsk People’s
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Later, Putin met with the DPR and LPR leaders, Denis
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Ukraine instigated the violence because it suspected Russian involvement in the creation of the DPR. This is a very bold and biased statement, given that it places the majority of the guilt for the war on Ukraine rather than on the DPR or on Russia.
2242:". At the unrecognised states article, the DPR is featured in the main list (alongside the LPR), but it seems that all of these various other random articles are making a bigger mention of it than the main article, the aforementioned "foreign relations of Russia" article.
1392:事實上，頓巴斯地區與烏克蘭其他地區是如此疏離，以致於在蘇共初期掌權之際，該地要求成立獨立的頓涅茨克-克里沃羅蘇維埃共和國（Donetsk–Krivoy Rog Soviet Republic）...如此政治撕裂終在2013年底達到頂峰，當時亞努科維奇在俄羅斯施壓下中止與歐盟簽署《政治和自由貿易協議》，激發了大規模的親歐派示威。當亞努科維奇2014年2月倉皇出逃、俄羅斯次月吞併克里米亞半島後，烏克蘭東南部也趁機掀起了分離主義示威浪潮，其中尤以頓巴斯地區為甚，俄羅斯則順勢派出民兵和武器相助，最初促成了頓巴斯地區兩州分別獨立成國。
960:! That's a very good page, and maybe one day this current brand new baby page will reach those same standards, if you users like yourself stop edit warring and constantly deleting/blanking content right off this page instead of constructively building up the page!
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No, this article is about a made up fiction - not supported by a single reliable source - that a Russian controlled entity, DPR, has “relations” with Russia itself as if it was a normal country. It’s just bullshit Russian propaganda/hoax and it has no place in an
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rendition of this section as well as the original version since there's no point in regurgitating information that is already easily accessible from the main article. This is basically just POV-forking.
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The "Donetsk People's Republic" in the topic of this article does not exist. The article should get deleted and the contents moved to some article on Russia's efforts to take over a part of Ukraine.
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If you have them then you need to show them. This is kind of basic.
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