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non-experts don't know how to intrepret any of this. However, I'd be suspicious of a site called "heartland" on scientific matters. The name sounds too similar to polically oriented sources that put out a lot of BS on wide varieties of topics. I just want straight science; I don't want any nonsense about "sides". At the time, the industry boosters were quick to compare risk of cancer from peanut butter to Alar. Is it possible to get a reputable source that allows direct comparison of substances and foods in terms of risk? As far as peanut butter goes, the toxin involved there now averages under 2 parts per billion, but I don't know how that translates to how much quantity required to be eaten to get cancer, or lifetime risk in per million people terms. I sure as hell won't trust a site called "heartland" regardless.
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No one can ever eat that much, or drink that much equivalent juice, yet the article cites that "the human lifetime cancer risk to be 5 per million". If it really took an impossible quanitity to ingest, then the lifetime cancer risk would be 0 per million, or per any number you want. Clearly, we as
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