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males restraining them. In notations it is exclusively females affected. This may tap into the hysteria of the witch trials, too. The limitation of male involvement seems to be men chasing their wives or daughters through the crowds to ensure their safety and try and drag them home. Unless someone can find evidence of case files pertaining to men I would strongly urge the article reflect the gender focus as it is a very interesting notable element of this 'mania.'
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psychoactive drugs for fun. We know that phenomenon too: We call it Rave. And to some people that appears as an illness of some kind too, although it is a cultural phenomenon. We should never forget that people had a free will ad a need for some entertainment since the very beginning, and there were always other people judging that.
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I am not surprised. Many articles to do with things that are predominantly a form of hysteria or general human behavioural weirdness tend to draw some very ... fringe pseudoscience citations. Just look at things like 'head mates' or otherkin's or multiple-personality-disorder, things that are 100%
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Now why would I do that? I have much better things to do, instead of wasting my time and getting my hopes up for nothing. All you've done here is attacked and criticised my work - not a single word of praise have I seen from you. No wonder people are put off from submitting FAs - or working on
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the evening before his dying day. The tradition claims that immediately after that a voice from heaven was heard saying: 'Vitus, your prayers are answered'. Thus St. Vitus became the patron saint of all those suffering from the dancing
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