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If you search for Daniel Razon (not Razón) in WP, you are immediately taken to this article. If you search for the same in Google, Bing, Yahoo! or any other major search engine, this article comes up on top. So, what the heck are you obsessing about? This article is perfectly-functional, current name
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No, these are all properly sourced. It may look unnotable to you, but the government websites, newspapers, and online magazines I cited are more than reliable to show Razon's achievements. As for Isang Araw Lang, he doesn't own it by himself, it's a joint project with the humanitarian NGO
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I've reduced this to a stub again, because material was being added, including serious allegations, without sources or with sources that didn't fully support it. Please do not anything (nothing positive, neutral, or negative), unless it is clearly supported by a reliable source. See
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