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It's a good point you raise. The first paper I found which defines graph density has another definition which meets your concern, so I replace the unreferenced definition in the article with their definition. If you have a better references, for instance, a text book, then please put it in. --
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A graph is simple if it neither contains self-loops nor contains an edge that is repeated in E. A graph is called a multigraph if it contains a given edge more than once or contain self-loops. For our discussions, graphs are assumed to be simple. The example graph is a simple graph.
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One possible definition of a sparse graph is one which can be represented by a sparse matrix. The definition of a sparse graph is often application dependent. A rather simple one is that it has O(|V|) edges. Let's look again at the first example graph:
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This definition does not make any sense at all. The big-O notation is defined on functions. However, for a single graph, the number of nodes and the number of edges are constants (costant functions). That means that, according to the definition,
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Is the definition really correct? Applying the current definition means that it is impossible to have a graph density of 1. For full graphs, the limit of the density is 1 as the order approaches infinity, but that's a little different
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A simple web search answered my question: the article was copied from the NIST website. The article really should include a reference to the original source to avoid charges of plagiarism, even when there are no copyright issues. --
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A graph is said to be sparse if the total number of edges is small compared to the total number possible ((N x (N-1))/2) and dense otherwise. For a given graph, whether it is dense or sparse is not well-defined by garin
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of graphs, which makes more sense, but still the notation is awkward and non-standard. The NIST site refers to a web version of a book by Preiss. Both the NIST site and Preiss' book are not about graph theory.
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Firstly, it is not clear what Bruno Preiss' definition is. Secondly, the definition is probably wrong; I guess that |E| = O(|V|k) should be |E| = O(|V|), but I'm not sure. --
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Vertex u is adjacent to vertex v if there is some edge to which both are incident (that is, there is an edge between them). For example, vertex 2 is adjacent to vertex 5.
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The degree of a vertex is the number of edges which are incident to it. For example, vertex 3 has degree 3, while vertex 4 has degree 1.
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Great! I was just gonna wing it without any references : ) Anyway, I added that the definition applies only for undirected graphs.
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An edge (u,v) is incident to both vertex u and vertex v. For example, the edge (1,3) is incident to vertex 3.
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An edge is a self-loop if it is of the form (u,u). The sample graph contains no self-loops.
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I'm going to change the definition in a few days if nobody objects.
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1. |E| is the number of edges, and |V| is the number of vertices."
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Ooops, forgot to log in. That last comment is mine.
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