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images on their facebook. Nathan on the other hand is in some of the recently updated photes but not listed on the website. I am beginning to supect that they are over due an update of their website again which I don't think is a first time but I can't prove it as they don't appear to post about line up changes. For now I am happy that Nathan is a member but I am not at all sure about Ike. I will update Ike's surname as he has clearly changed it sometime ago. If anyone has any sources that confirm one way another if there has been a line up change it would be good to know.
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What does it matter how, or if, Americans know of them? If wikipedia was only supposed to contain articles of interest to Americans, 3/4 of the articles on wikipedia should be put up for speedy deletion right this second. Fair enough, mention her in the Britains Got Talent section of the article, but
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It's wrong that Susan boyle is not mentioned. If it were not for her, virtually noone in the US would ever have heard of these guys. in fact, NO ONE would in the US would have heard of them if it were not for her. We did NOT hear that "Diversity won BGT", what we heard was "Susan Boyle lost BGT to
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This article (and many other places) state that the group has ten members but there are clearly eleven members on stage when the results are announced in the Britains got talent final, plus in their original audition eleven people introduce themselves. I can't quite hear the name of the person who is
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Its relevant because it lets readers know immediately that the version that they happen to see now when they tune in should be taken as a version that is subject to frequent and perhaps drastic changes as time allows sources and wikipedia editors to put the subject of the article and its content into
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1 Before Diversity: Swift Moves 2 2007 - 2009: Formation and early career 3 2009: Britain's Got Talent 4 2009: BGT tour and 1st Royal Variety show performance 5 2010: Diversitoys tour 6 2011 - 2012: Digitized tour 7 2012 - 2014: Limitless tour 8 2014 - 2015: The Exclusive Tour -
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No, I just decided to skip it....of course I saw it. But they are guidelines, and they are something to work from on the small chance this issue comes up in a serious way again. I get that you don't like this group or didn't want them to win etc, but I'm just trying to help out the debate here. For
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Does anyone have an up to date source for who is in Diversity at the moment? I can see that Nathan Ramsay has been added and I agree he has been working with Diversity alot over the last year or so but he is not listed as a member on their web site. If we are going to include Nathan due to working
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The Credits on last night Diversity presnts steel the show has Nathan listed as the 8th member of Diversity intrestingly Ike was not listed at all. So it looks like they got a situation where Ike is listed as member on group website but appears to have been removed as of last night from the group
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I'm a bit concerned about the ages being listed with the member names. Some of these guys are pretty young, and it doesn't add any tangible benefit to the article. I'd prefer to see them removed, and that section turned to prose instead of a bulleted list (though this is of secondary concern).
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This quote at the end of the passage is more than likely incorrect, as it would mean that the other 9 acts would have to have scored less than 1 in 20 votes as well... if they scored 0.99 per 20 votes, per act, the total of all 10 acts would be less than 9.99 votes per 20 votes. This needs to be
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Actually I can't even believe someone would put up such an idea about deletion, I don't think it really worths discuss as this just cannot be deleted. The deletion policy isn't for essential articles like this, there are obviously loads of information to add to this article. Expansion should be
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BBC News article states that the ages are between 12 and 25, which is a fairly decent way of showing how chronologically diverse they are. I don't think it's going to be a major issue if people want the ages in, but to avoid a dispute, the BBC wording might be a decent way to go.
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is written in the beginning 10 members and then, at the end of the text, 11 members "All the group are from the East London / Essex area. There are 11 members with 3 sets of brothers and 3 other members. ". Clear mistake and many further resources copy&pasted the wrong info
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Diversity formed in 2007. Before that they were swift moves. At that point in time the line up was a bit different. Ike joined Diversity in 2007. Perri in about 2008. They are not in any of the video clips from the swift moves period or the step up challenge clip.
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with the group over the last year or so then there are 3 members of Diversity Juniors who should probably also be included but I am having a problem confirming their names. I am leaving Nathan in for now but I think it worth a discussion and more investigation.
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Wrong: Even though I agree Diversity should have this page, Susan Boyle has more of a place mainly because the masses of references that have be turned up, she has appeared on shows such as Oprah, she is a proved internet phenomena. I could go on..
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tag on the 2010 section, as there is nothing later in the article, part of that section is written about events that had not occurred yet (I don't know if they did), and it uses words like "recently" about things that are no longer recent.
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If you're gonna delete this, you may as well delete the entry for Susan Boyle. Diversity has much more right to have their own entry on Knowledge (XXG) since they have won what Susan Boyle was competing for. 22:40 GMT, May 30 2008
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can anyone confirm when the group formed?? the very first paragraph states 2007, but the second paragraph, not 5 lines below the first date, states 2006. which is it?? not exactly a very professional article if these don't add up
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I suggest we leave it as-is for the moment. Presumably it's Ike who is the dubious member – until there's a definite source stating he's not in the group (or that there are definitely only 10 members), we should keep it as 11.
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I think the current template is relevant - just look at how many edits to the article have occured in the past few hours because of the results of the show, look how many potential new sources are arriving every hour, etc. --
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everyone else, a similar discussion took place over JLS in The X Factor last year, and that article was (as I remember) kept largely on the basis that they had placed in a reality music competition (or words to that effect).
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There is a Robert who appear in the jump off clips and also in the Diversity clips from 2008 where they performed as guests Street Dance Weekend 2008 competition and the step up challenge clip. However he left before BGT.
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I should point out that if they were musical artists, they actually would be automatically notable per WP:MUSIC. Let's bend those rules a bit to include any winners of BGT as automatically notable. We already do anyway.
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I keep trying to add references to reliable sources such as Sky News, BBC News, Daily Mail etc. and they keep being removed in favour of Unreality TV links. Please can you add reliable sources to the article.
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Your assumption that I gave a tinkers damn about the contest at all is no more relevant than your attempt at justifying to keep the article by citing guidelines that arent at all supported by consensus. --
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Sorry, I saw that as well, but it is obviously a mistake! You can count them + they clearly said on their interview after the final that there are eleven of them! + there are more links with this: e.g.
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An age range or other compromise I'm fine with, but listing the ages next to each not so much. It's better to put as little private information as possible. My prose needs work, too. Cheers.
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now shows as eleven members. I think thats fairly good confirmation that there are in fact eleven members and the ten members description is probably just a mistake furthered by lazy journalism.
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You're taking this a bit too personally. I never meant for it to be used as set in stone policy, I just thought that it would be a good starting point for discussion. All I stated was that they
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At the moment this article reads a bit like a CV. Would it be worth restructuring the post BGT sub-sections by tours in the same way music group tend to be structured by Albums. For example:
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Yeah, there really is no point to all of this is there. I'm sure those who are trying know with in one day there will be to much notabality to justify thinking about deleting this article.
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I think it is "Mike". In the video of the first audition, after all three set of brothers introduced themselves, it was first Perri, Warren then the missing eleventh one and then Terry.
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Just because other agencies have more leinient policies regarding privicy of minors than we do doesnt mean that we should be making that information more widely available. --
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They just won a highly publicised TV series and media attention wil be on them in torromows papers, websites, TV. No point deleting or merging for the sake of 6 or 7 hours...
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I think it would be enough to just state that there are mixed ages or even just to say that the group is made up of adults and children, or something along those lines.
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Yes, I remember it being said on there as well. The trouble is, the sources we look for now will probably be quoting the last minute odds, which were well below 20/1.
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article (or relevant series article). Just because the group won a recent competition doesn't mean the template is relevant – the guidelines state that the template
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A lot of this article sounds like a Diversity press release, a request for work. It would be better if it simply explained who they are and why they are noteworthy.
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Can you post the links here if they're not staying on the page? The ones currently on the page hardly look authoritative, and I'm sure there are replacements.
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It was last night, but that's all I can remember. I don't think it was in the first show, so that would make it during the results or on the More Talent show.
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In terms of membership for swift moves: Ashley, Ian, Jamie, Terry, Robert and Mitchell. For swift move Juniors: Jordan, Sam, Warren, Matthew and one unknown
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Yeah, that's a good idea. What good would it do to have the ages in the article? I think the ages of the members of the group doesn't matter... I guesss.
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According to their old website many of them have been together as a dance crew since 2005 although back then they were known as Swift Moves.
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group may be getting lots of press at the moment (or, at least, soon), but there's not a lot of new information coming in about them.
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states the group has 10 members. I'm sure I saw another news page which left out Ike – perhaps he left since the original audition?
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Careful, guys. Down that road is incivility and "preventative" blocks. Keep it civil, lest things get out of hand. Cheers, guys.
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When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.
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Did you notice the big banner on the top of the page that indicates that those guidelines are not actually community consensus? --
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that you know they will be covered outside of their relationship to the show? Can you send me the winning lottery numbers too? --
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on September 5 2020, after a performance in which they acted out a father telling his son about the coronavirus and the death of
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Would it also be worth listing the tours and giving an outline of the plot of each one in section just before the references?
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I have added "Ike" to the list – perhaps we can find a surname from somewhere? I don't know the source of the other surnames.
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Alot of a opinion, un referenced sections and irelevent sections (ones which talk about the show in general) should be removed.
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Unfortunately, the reference after names of the members is wrong because Ike Ezekwugo is missing there. That is why I put
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Do we have any consensus on this from elsewhere? I agree in as much as their ages add anything to the article – do we
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Original line up for Diversity: Ashley, Ian, Jamie, Terry, Robert, Mitchell, Jordan, Sam, Warren, Matthew and Ashton
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diversity are the best wow they won brittans got talent i wanted them to win anyway peri luc kiely is so hot !!!
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to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the
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I've added Robert Anker to the before BGT section as we now have a surname for him given these two sources
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Here are the links that I added, and the ones from Telegraph and BBC News have already been reinserted.
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After the final show, on "Britain's got more Talent" Diversity clearly said there are 11 of them.
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The 20/1 odds were said on Britains got more talent, cant find alot about it on the internet --
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This link: has the names, ages, and HOMETOWN of each of the 11 members listed on the photo.
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anyway. It really depends on what classification they fall into. It may be a slight grey area.
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Should this article mention that Diversity aroused much controversy after a performance on
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That group did not include Perri or Ike who joined later as stated on their member pages.
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but no reply yet. If the musical artist box is appropriate, I've knocked one up at
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I just don't see how the "current" template adds anything to the article. Yes, the
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Can we please get a source for the 20/1 odds? The only mention of it I've seen is
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http://essexroundup.wordpress.com/2009/05/30/diversity-win-britains-got-talent-bgt/
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shows the group introducing themselves – it definitely sounds like "Ike" (to me).
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I have no idea and that's the problem. Shall we remove the "incorrect figures"?
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Up Close And Personal 9 Tours 10 DVDs 11 References 12 External links
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This article has been update recently. At what point can the marker be removed?
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a dance group called Diversity". She needs to be mentioned in this article.
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Does he deserve his own article? Or is there not that much to say about him? (
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I agree. Why is an article been made when it might be removed? Not much logic.
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Hmm. There's definitely 11 – but I'm stumped working out that guy's name.
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Does anyone know of any additional reliable sources to back the above up?
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What sort of infobox would be appropriate (if at all) for this article?
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Yeah, sounds good to me. I'll go make the change presently. Cheers.
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I would of thought that's good enough, I mean, reliable sources...
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Where would total vote numbers be accessed from? I have no clue. (
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It can't be deleted. They won. There's plenty to write about them
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Do we know when (which episode etc) these odds were stated?
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as for the article introduction, she warrants no mention..
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I saw them in the new (street) dance film. Perhaps more?--
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Even in the official text about Diversity on ITV url:
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I'm happy with it staying as it is (11) – but there
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