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862:"The DFN hosted a conference entitled "Racism and Caste Based Discrimination in India: Implications for the US-India Relationship", where talks were given by activists Udit Raj and Kancha Ilaiah who have been accused of making statements that are biased against Hinduism" - factually not supported by the source provided. According to this source a US Congressman organized a conference and invited a number of speakers, which included D'souza, Raj and Ilaiah. So they attended the same conference. Doesn't prove they have the same agenda. 112: 170: 143: 246: 180: 83: 21: 49: 749:
Many more irrelevant facts have crept into this article. This article is about the Dalit Freedom Network, not Joseph D'Souza. The comments about "mass baptism," "saddness over Nagaland" and Joseph's work with missionary Benedict Rogers are not about DFN. If you would like to post them about Joseph
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I agree with the original post. This information is not relevant to the Dalit Freedom Network and is said in a way to undermine their legitimacy. Also, the wording about Joseph's wife insinuates that she is not actually a Dalit, but her husband merely claims that she is. There is a vicious tone to
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If there's something you disagree with, could I suggest you indicate this with{{fact}} or {{dubious}} after the statement. In Knowledge (XXG), the burden of proof is always on those who want information to be included. Accordingly, you are within your rights to request citations. Also, could I
947:". DFN advocates please keep in mind that I have a timestamped pdf of the webpage from DFN's site where D'souza's statement is available. So, any attempts to remove that statement from DFN's site, and hence subsequently revert my edit to obfuscate its motivation will be a futile exercise. 883:. If you have found anything anything that will "balance" Kancha Ilaiah's statements, please do go ahead, and add. I have read his works, and have not found anything that will provide the "balance" whatever do you mean by that. He has always been an outspoken critic of Hinduism. -- 734:
inasmuch as WP:BLP can be expanded to include existent organizations. Please use credible news sources when providing criticism, and don't cite information or article which have nothing to do with the subject in question to lead the reader to conclusions.
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Specifically mention its HQ as Washington DC USA and not as "our country's capital". Knowledge (XXG) is used by people around the world, and what is "our country's capital" for some guy in Colorado, USA is not the same for the girl in
865:"Kancha Ilaiah has stated that Hinduism is "basically a spiritual fascist cult" and "Yes, I hate Hinduism"" - relevance per comments about merely attending the same conference. Also not exactly balanced coverage of a living person. 859:"Neither Dr. Joseph D'souza nor Nanci Ricks is Dalit, however D'souza has indicated that his wife was born a Dalit " - no source, dubious accuracy. See other comments on this page about tone of this remark. 997: 992: 260: 597:
This article should not be included. HVK.org is not a source for dispassionate information but is an opinion site in support of hindutva. The source does not meet wikipedia's requirements.
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I have removed items from the article that were either loosely associative with the topic in general or originating from non-sourceable opinion pieces. This is in accordance with
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Mention DFN's motivation as is apparent from a statement made by its president, Dr. Joseph D'souza, "...250 million Dalits will find true and lasting freedom and experience the
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this information is not pertinent to the article. Nor, for that matter, is the fact that neither nanci nor joseph are Dalits. Is the founder of "save the whales" a whale?
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agenda, accordingly I have given the sentence a failed verification tag. If there isn't a response in 48 hours, then I'll remove the word "missionary".
508:"Progressive Hindu orgs" run by Islamist fronts like FOSA with "Allah will destroy the terrorist state of India" right up on their website? Yeah, right. 202: 954:
Edits 2 and 3 have been referenced to verifiable sources. I don't believe anyone will challenge edit 1, but if so a reference can be easily added.
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ticket number 2007020710000014, which relates to outside correspondence sent to the foundation. The rationale for this removal can be found at
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Why do you keep changing our information? Please stop. You are misrepresenting us. We are not a missionary organization nor have we ever been.
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these sentences and they do no advance the purpose of the article which is to provide unbiased information about the Dalit Freedom Network.
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I've tagged the 'missionary' description, considering this is a weekend, I'll give 48 hours to find a citation before removing the word.
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Again, I would like to flag the 'missionary' description. This source is not even about the organization, but the founder.
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Mention DFN's partnership with Christian organizations All India Christian Council and Operation Mercy India Foundation.
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This statement needs factual backing. Our activities were supported by a number of progressive Hindu organizations.
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That is just dumb... look up their address. It is not a church. whoever keeps adding that is just being foolish.
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Here is what Dr Kancha Ilaiah said (rediff.com: The Rediff Interview/Dr Kancha Ilaiah January 17, 2000):
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on Knowledge (XXG). If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join
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That was a metaphor. Please stop being insulting. You are not advancing facts but an agenda of hatred.
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personalities and organizations and often misrepresents itself as Hindu when, in fact, it is Christian.
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There is nothing in the article that suggests missionary activity.. Merely that DFN works with several
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When exposed, they hastily "removed" the links and "ended their association" with PAA. Yeah, right.
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Correct formating by removing redundant references mentioned in the main body of the article.
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So you're equating Dalits with whales? Racism. Typical of Bible-Thumping missionary groups.
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PAA is a terrorist front with "Allah will destroy the terrorist state of India" as a motto
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Kancha Ilaiah who have been accused of making statements that are biased against Hinduism.
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but again, someone has changed it to suggest missionary activity. We aren't missionaries.
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The discussion page has been restored. It is unethical to remove the discussion page. --
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please stop reverting the article - Lets talk about changes before simply changing back
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D'Souza, then post them on his Article and provide a link at the bottom of the page.
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The proposal was defeated. There was only 1 vote for deletion, and 7 votes to keep.
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Anyone who has read works by Kanch and his interviews, will know that he is simply
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suggest you avoid using the revert function, unless for obvious vandalism. Thanks,
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It's an archive of a legit news source and satisfies wiki requirements just fine.
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Discussion on this belongs in the article about the case and has been removed
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it is not a news site - it is an organization with a blantant hinduthva mission
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DFN HQ, its partnership with Christian organizations and its motivation
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this discussion belongs in the article on the Dalits, not here.
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http://www.friendsofsouthasia.org/events/indpakpeace/
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His views on hindus are irrelevant for this article
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