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means what? Any GOOD reason that so much here is left undefined/unexplained? Are we supposed to know (and if so, based on what) what these symbols mean in this case? I've taken math through ordinary differential equations, so my knowledge is "above average" for a layperson. Most of these symbols
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In any case, it is not true that potential must be specified over the entire boundary of the domain. Dirichlet's principle still holds if the domain has "side walls" on which the potential is free to vary (but has no gradient normal to the wall), provided only that there is somewhere where the
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The article says "Weierstraß gave an example of a functional that does not attain its minimum. Hilbert later justified Riemann's use of Dirichlet's principle." What's the example?
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have various meanings in various mathematical contexts, and need to be defined prior to indiscriminate use. Writing articles for the specialist seems unproductive in this forum.
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It sounds like the principle holds in only certain cases, but its not clear what these are. What can be said about fractal boundaries? (i.e. no-where differentiable boundaries)?
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It is not immediately obvious to me that a similar lower bound can be written down in the case that there is no solution to the boundary-value problem.
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I think you need to be able to integrate by parts and you should have good trace and extension operators. I am pretty certain that a
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It is standard notation, but the article might be made more accessible by simply specifying the boundary conditions in words.
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It's standard notation for the boundary of the domain. I believe it's still taught as part of multivariate calculus courses.
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smoothness) that the derivative is zero everywhere, a contradiction to the boundary conditions. Note that
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is constant, so the limiting function does not satisfy the boundary condition at the origin.
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at all. It is obvious that the integral is nonnegative for harmonic functions (
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An example of a boundary value problem with no solution is to take
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I, p. 43, the example Weierstraß gave is 1148:The lower bound is therefore negative whenever 722:, since that would imply (as we are asking for 245:{\displaystyle g\in H^{1/2}(\partial \Omega )} 8: 495: 402: 1560:PĂłlya, György; SzegƑ, GĂĄbor (21 Aug 1951). 539:{\displaystyle \inf _{\mathcal {C}}F\geq 0} 19: 1005:So the functional is bounded below in the 47: 1566:. Princeton University Press. pp. 49–51. 1471: 1431: 1405: 1379: 1353: 1332: 1322: 1309: 1300: 1274: 1248: 1243:, and impose boundary conditions that 1222: 1202: 1173: 1153: 1121: 1116: 1104: 1098: 1084: 1064: 1036: 1010: 978: 973: 949: 943: 929: 897: 875: 855: 781: 760: 754: 733: 727: 689: 677: 651: 626: 625: 607: 587: 578: 560: 554: 520: 519: 513: 472: 415: 393: 392: 390: 360: 330: 320: 312: 291: 220: 216: 204: 181: 158:What are the constraints on the boundary? 707:{\displaystyle F(u_{\varepsilon })\to 0} 1552: 1341:{\displaystyle (x^{2}+y^{2})^{\alpha }} 49: 1031:case also. When the boundary value 1217:to be the punctured unit disc, take 7: 1348:satisfy the boundary conditions and 823:does not mention the free component 546:. A minimizing sequence is given by 279:According to Giaquinta/Hildebrandt, 95:This article is within the scope of 38:It is of interest to the following 1476: 1473: 1204: 1175: 1109: 1099: 954: 944: 236: 233: 186: 183: 14: 1598:Mid-priority mathematics articles 795:{\displaystyle \varepsilon \to 0} 776:converge to the sign function as 665:{\displaystyle \varepsilon \to 0} 115:Knowledge:WikiProject Mathematics 1593:Start-Class mathematics articles 1482:{\displaystyle \partial \Omega } 769:{\displaystyle u_{\varepsilon }} 714:. However, there is no function 192:{\displaystyle \partial \Omega } 118:Template:WikiProject Mathematics 82: 72: 51: 20: 135:This article has been rated as 1384: 1358: 1329: 1302: 1295:at the origin. 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