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When did rhetoric stop meaning the art of discourse and when did discourse stop meaning to lead off course? Referring if not obviously to the use of logical fallacies in persuasion, This wiki and that of rhetoric have been reduced to bombast in my opinion, (bombast is still a synonym for rhetoric,
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