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Ukrainians voted for independence. Almost all observers agreed that serious federal discussions were impossible without Ukraine's participation. On 6 December, shortly after Ukraine's independence referendum, the Supreme Soviet of Ukraine adopted a new military oath pledging loyalty to Ukraine. On 13 December, Leonid Kravchuk proclaimed himself Supreme Commander of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and declared that the Ukrainian Armed Forces would be formed from Soviet troops stationed in Ukraine.
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That's not only not clear, it is also an incorrect description. "State collapse" has an entirely different meaning than here. Anarchy did not prevail. However tricky the post-Soviet order may have been, characterizing it as "state collapse" is a rather stretched POV. If that's what you mean (or if
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