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Japanese voice. But the text is ambiguous if it is available in all regions, or at least in the North American one, in addition to the Japanese version. The sources don't say anything.
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It even has a new separate copyright text in the footer for the game. It's clear that it's treated as a new version, not just a port. Also considering they said more info will be revealed on Jan 1, it's highly likely that there will be even more new features to this version.
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1678:Thanks! --
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